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I Know a guy who has a Freeport 36 in the same marina, I just contacted him. According to him Schirra sold the boat 20 years ago. So that makes sense.

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I was a tad surprised to see a mention of Wally Schirra, and that one of the original seven astronauts was still alive; I had thought them all dead by now. I looked it up, and Schirra died in 2007 at age 84. The only one left living is John Glenn (ironically, the oldest of the group). Wally's bio on Wikipedia does however mention that one of his hobbies was sailing.

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Cool, I met John Glenn back when I was in college. Was volunteering for his campaign when he ran for President. I think almost all of the Ohio college students worked for him. He as a big hero in Ohio. He came to Xavier, and talked to us while we all drank beer. I don't think he had any though. I was there mainly for the beer. But it was kind of cool we all got to shake his hand, as it was just a group of like 20 or so.

And I my grandmother was good friends with one of the food chemists who developed Pringles, and they made the image of "Julius Pringles" after him. Kind of sad that they were developed by chemists and not a chef. But he was kind of like a "step grandfather."

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First off, I am a fan of Bob's work. Many good designs with some I would consider IF I were in the market for a larger "go anywhere" boat. I know I can go into a marina and spot a BP boat quite easily.

I'm not so sure about how many BS boats have been built and sailed but some of the BS claims seem to be a bit far fetched. But, BS, at least you believe what you're saying. While steel built boats may have their place, they're not for everyone, especially for a DIY-build.

So, Brent Swain, This is for you...


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First off, I am a fan of Bob's work. Many good designs with some I would consider IF I were in the market for a larger "go anywhere" boat. I know I can go into a marina and spot a BP boat quite easily.

I'm not so sure about how many BS boats have been built and sailed but some of the BS claims seem to be a bit far fetched. But, BS, at least you believe what you're saying. While steel built boats may have their place, they're not for everyone, especially for a DIY-build.

So, Brent Swain, This is for you...

If that's not a steel kayak, that guy's in for a world of hurt.

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First off, I am a fan of Bob's work. Many good designs with some I would consider IF I were in the market for a larger "go anywhere" boat. I know I can go into a marina and spot a BP boat quite easily.

I'm not so sure about how many BS boats have been built and sailed but some of the BS claims seem to be a bit far fetched. But, BS, at least you believe what you're saying. While steel built boats may have their place, they're not for everyone, especially for a DIY-build.

So, Brent Swain, This is for you...

I have built 38 , Evan built a similar number all are sailng,Ken Splett built a half dozen of mine, and many more in aluminium, Suzie built two. More people are now building their own, how many is anyone's guess, altho I keep getting more and more pictures of ones I have sold the plans for, which I have been unaware of having been built.
No, steel boats are not for everyone. For the majority of plastic boats, which spend their lives in marinas, only getting underway on rare occasions, plastic is the ideal material , as it will withstand years of abandonment. Bobs boats are mostly well suited to this kind of use, which is how most of them are used.
I have been meeting people who followed the advice to simply buy a used plastic boat , and I have been hearing the stories of the experience, including this morning. Rotted out bulkheads, rotted out floor, rotted out chainplate plate supports, electrics shot, all mostly due to he heavy condensation in such uninsulated boats, and deck leaks from bolted down fittings (as opposed to the super dry interior of an insulated steel boat, with all welded down deck gear, which never leaks) . They are dreaming of eventually upgrading to steel. The work they have to do to bring a plastic boat up to snuff and useable in a cold clime, is often far more than building a new hull and transferring the gear over. Maintenance of even a relatively small amount of varnish can be far more work that maintaining steel boat.
Steel is the ideal material for a DIY build. Many have built my boats from my plans, my book and Alex's video ,with few if any further questions. The have had all the info they needed. On metalboatsociety.com a guy just gave the quote for enough steel to build a 47 ft Van de Stadt hull and decks at roughly $8500. Ask any plastic boat builder how far that would get you in plastic.
Don't be afraid of metal working .It is very easy to learn, an very forgiving, as welds have 100% the strength of the material around them.. Unlike some materials, gaps are an advantage in penetration of welds. You don't have to wait for the glue( weld ) to dry.
Regardless of what material you build your hull out of, learning to do metal work will save you a fortune, and give you far better gear than commercially made stuff.
DIY building in fibreglass requires either a very expensive and time consuming female mold ,or a very expensive ,time consuming, hazardous to your health ,and very itchy , miserable amount of grinding, plus a huge amount of money for materials. Unlike steel it cant be done outside, drastically increasing the cost .

The picture looks more like sailing a Perry designed plastic boat at hull speed, on a dark, foggy night, with floating containers and unlit fishboats, or broken up log booms in the area.

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Outbound talks about defying physics .
Saying that my boats which have withstood 16 days of pounding in up to 12 ft surf on a Baja lee shore, pounding over 300 yards of Fijian coral reef in simuilarsurf, then pulled back thru that surf by a tug, all with minimal damage, which would have broken up a plastic boat in minutes, are "Not strong enough" so you should opt for the plastic boat instead , defies not only physics, but defies logic. Saying that a plastic boat would fare better in a collision than a steel boat, defies both physics and logic. Smacks statement that life lines should be knee high ,and force you to crawl around on your hands and knees, defies both physics and logic.
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You will notice that any time anyone suggests we give practical in formation, Bob changes the subject to something completely irrelevant. That is because he has nothing useful to offer.
He doesn't have a clue about practical,only theoretical.
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So the point you are making is that people with steel boats don't know how to navigate?


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Why is BS so obsessed with me. He should just ignore me. He is a very jealous little man. His obsession is not healthy for him.

BTW my new 43'er for the New Zealand couple came through today. I will have a very good year.

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