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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

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The first boat is a new custom boat for a Swedish client to be built in Germany.
Wow! That's a real sleeper. Old school above the waterline, 'watch my canoe stern horizon you' below. Can't wait to see that build.
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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

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Its not perceived bias which is unfounded. Its just vastly archaic design.
I don't think this is a fair statement. It is premised on the assumption that what is done now is inherently superior to something that has been done (off and on) for a long time.

The reality is that the presumed benefits over a squared transom, as it turns out, aren't really there. And, there are space drawbacks, when compared to a squared transom design. Those considerations have made it a less popular design decision in recent years.

But, a LOT of sailboat design decisions are made around aesthetics rather than practicality. We like the look of things that project what we think sailing is about. Indeed, why do we even have exposed wood on ANY boat? I don't think you could level the same criticism, that wood is a vastly archaic material. It is used because people like it.

Well, some do, some don't.

But, just because something may not be currently fashionable among boat designers doesn't make it archaic.

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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

On my Pacific Seacraft 25, the tiller would slam from side to side when the boat wasn't moving, as when docked. I don't know how common that is to double-ended boats, but the tiller on my Whitby 25 stays put no matter what. Also, it can be really awkward to mount an outboard on a double-ended boat. Mine had a triangular bracket that worked OK, but the prop could still hit the rudder on tight turns.

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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

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What are the dimensions on this beauty?
Any interior drawings?
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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

In a week, I'm going to drive half way across the country to survey a Valiant 32. I like the aesthetic.

Some 'double-enders' carry more volume aft than others. This helps with storage a little. The one I am looking at, also, forgoes the quarter berth for more storage from the cockpit.

I think anyone who needs/wants the large interior space aft of modern boats, wouldn't like any of the older boats. Wouldn't matter if they had transoms, or not.
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Barquito hit a lot of the nail on the head. A friend of mine is selling a beautiful early 60's Luders 44. While I like the look of the boat, it has about as much room inside as my mid 80's 30' Jeanneau. But what a classic old navy sailing training boat design. Compare it to the one the navy recently had designed up, built by Morris Yachts......Almost like the to boats compared by Faster, assuming the same length etc.

If you want to go a lot over hull speed, a double ender canoe bottom boat will not do as well as a fat arsed boat.

But like the boat Bob posted for his German client, or the Morris M series, many older looking about the waterline, have a modern faster better sailing characteristic underwater appendages. so Classic look and design, but a faster boat!

With all boats, choose what you want to look at, be seen in, sails like you want it too etc.

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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

people are sheep. they dislike and diss that which they cannot understand. or cannot have.
is simple.

perry still makes this allegedly antiquated design not be so antiquated.
garden made heart shaped transoms to make best of both worlds.. space and shape to handle seas.
flat transoms were made for racers for sledding down seas.
each boat has its own points...
nothing antiquated about handling seas with ease and comfort.
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Re: Why don't people like double Enders?

I think Barquito makes a very good point. Take any older boat with or without a transom and you will find a lot less volume aft than today's production boats. Today it's all about volume and cockpit size.
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