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... and you may want to see this report from John Rousmaniere; http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/..._Symposium.pdf
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

That's a great report, Eherlihy. I think I've read that before but it's been awhile.

David, it almost sounds like you were performing a version of the "Fast Return" as outlined in the report.
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

I am also a proponent, but the final approach is actually from slightly upwind with the boat hove to. Speed is controlled by trimming or easing the main and direction with the helm if needed. The idea is to end up hove to with the COB to leeward. The nice thing about this is that you can approach slowly in strong winds and also, since you are hove to you actually stay with the COB and you don't have sails luffing all over the place when you try to retrieve him or her.

I used this technique in a 104 class in 20+ knots of wind and it worked beautifully. We couldn't get any of the normal downwind approaches to work at all. Even if we stopped the boat by the COB, it would quickly have the bow pushed aside and we would fall off and leave before being able to retrieve the fender we were using.

I'm also a fan, if you notice the COB in time, of heading up and tacking twice without changing jib sheets. On most larger boats, this will bring it to a full stop just back of where you initiated the maneuver and hove to. If you have a conscious COB, you are usually close enough for the to swim a few yards back to the boat.
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

I prefer these two methods for upwind and downwind MOB's



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a) It can be done easily by one person.
b) There is usually no need to adjust sails.
c) The sails are always under control. There are no flying clews or sheets.
d) The MOB is always on the same side of the vessel and kept in sight.
e) If unsuccessful, just come around again.
f) The MOB can be reached on most vessels by lying on the deck and grabbing them. I retrieved a TV antenna off Cape Scott in this manner.)
g) Works exceptionally well with a life-sling.




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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

Have not seen any of those two methods in print before.

Have you?

They certainly look promising.

Would have to test it out.

If you numbered each position in order it would be more obvious but I think I got it anyway.

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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

David, these are the methods we use in International Sail and Power Association courses.

I like the numbering idea, shall do.

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Jack,

I just sent you an email with some slides that I created using your template... Feel free to share if you wish.
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

If I went overboard, and someone tried any of the aforementioned procedures without first trying to start the engine and motoring back to me, I would politely cave their faces in should I be lucky enough to get back aboard.

The adherence to procedure, for whatever reason, should not trump saving a life.

Sorry to sound harsh, but there is no way in hell you can expect crew to follow procedure while watching someone die.
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

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If I went overboard, and someone tried any of the aforementioned procedures without first trying to start the engine and motoring back to me, I would politely cave their faces in should I be lucky enough to get back aboard.

The adherence to procedure, for whatever reason, should not trump saving a life.

Sorry to sound harsh, but there is no way in hell you can expect crew to follow procedure while watching someone die.
Starting the engine was discussed in John Rousmanier's Symposium article. I think we are all aware of that option. No face bashing necessary. Most of the sailing programs require that you know how to return to a MOB under sail. It's up to the helmsman or captain to quickly determine the best option for recovery given the circumstances including starting the engine, and train for the possibilty. Not all sailboats have engines. Some have outboards that are tilted up and out of the water. Most of the sailing MOB maneuvers in Rousmaniers exercise were accomplished in 2 minutes or less.
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Re: Broad reach close reach COB procedure

Since attending a Storm Trysail Club Safety at Sea seminar I have been a proponent of the Quick-stop method, which is quite similar to the OP's original description here. When a COB occurs, you simply tack, leaving jibsheets or spinnaker sheets where they are. This stops the boat and keeps you close to the victim. Clearing headsails can happen, but you sail back to the victim with the main, and maneuver according to conditions and your vessel's handling characteristics to pick them up. We did this with the spinnaker up the first time, and were back at our "victim" cushion in 45 seconds. Time improved after that, regardless of point of sail or sails hoisted.
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