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Well, in Fla there is no property tax so the road money comes from auto taxes.
In RI my daughter has a separate tax on her car just for local roads, so 'm guessing it depends on where you live.

I once had it explained to me that since motor cycles are visually diminutive, being loud is a safety factor, like it or not.

A bike doing 15 and running a red light to your right in a city, with buildings to the corner, gives you no chance to even hit the brakes. And if there are 4 (2 each way) lanes, with a truck to your right, he's either lucky or dead. There are no other options. I know, it's happened more than once to me. Hours and hours at the scene, months of courts and all that garbage and I was the innocent victim of another's stupidity. I never had a chance in hell of avoiding him!
Again- no different than runners, motorcycles, toddlers, etc. It sucks, but it's life and not just bikers. Fact is that cities are unsafe and people do stupid things because people are people. But it's not a bike that is the problem.
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Here's a bit of perspective for you who complain that cyclists ride abreast: The reason they do that is a combination of safety and courtesy. Unless you are a psychopath, driving you car into a bicycle is going to ruin your day. It is well known that bicyclists riding abreast are much more visible to motorists than are bicyclists riding in single file. Even a single rider is more visible when out in the middle of the lane than tight-roping on the edge. Check out numerous Youtubes if you can't imagine what you're reading.

If you approach cyclists who are riding in your lane, allow them to react to your presence before you pass. If they are aware of you and it is safe for you to pass, they will either wave you on or they will fall into single file to give you room. If they don't, assume that it is not safe to pass or they are not aware of your presence.

By the way, it is perfectly acceptable and courteous to toot your horn as you approach cyclists, well before you get on their tails. They should acknowledge you with a hand gesture or by yielding. Even if you are not the first in a line of cars, you should give a toot so that the cyclists know another car driver is wanting to overtake them.

The time penalty to drive like a decent, courteous person during most bicycle encounters is negligible compared to the total trip time, and can be easily made up if necessary. Don't be an azzhole.
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Don't be an azzhole.
Way too hard for some.

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Well, in Fla there is no property tax so the road money comes from auto taxes.
In RI my daughter has a separate tax on her car just for local roads, so 'm guessing it depends on where you live.
It took me almost 17 seconds to find out that:

"Nationwide in 2010, state and local governments raised $37 billion in motor fuel taxes and $12 billion in tolls and non-fuel taxes, but spent $155 billion on highways.[3] In other words, highway user taxes and fees made up just 32 percent of state and local expenses on roads. The rest was financed out of general revenues."

The same website has a table that breaks it down by state: The proportion of highway spending covered by user taxes and fees, 2010, in Florida was 49.7%, the second highest of all states. For Rhode Island, 35.7%.

Gasoline Taxes and Tolls Pay for Only a Third of State & Local Road Spending | Tax Foundation

Since the majority of highway spending comes from general revenues, STFU about people not having rights to pedal on the roads, and quit whining about the minuscule disruptions that bicycles add to your self-centered existences.

Practice happy coexistence - you'll feel better.
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I worked as an engineer for DOT for 5 years and I always knew the funding source of my upcoming projects. Most of your highways are funded by the feds. In fact state, county and even local roads get a huge percentage of funding from the feds. Therefore it is mostly income tax, paid for by almost all of us. And the local maintenance gets paid from property taxes as well.

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I worked as an engineer for DOT for 5 years and I always knew the funding source of my upcoming projects. Most of your highways are funded by the feds. In fact state, county and even local roads get a huge percentage of funding from the feds. Therefore it is mostly income tax, paid for by almost all of us. And the local maintenance gets paid from property taxes as well.
As an probably mostly true, but over general, statement- near all road bikers are paying income tax (or their parents are). Those things aren't cheap.

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Yes, the federal government does subsidize local road expenditures. If I had spent an extra 15 seconds, I would've attached this link first:

Road Spending by State Funded by User Taxes and Fees, Including Federal Gas Tax Revenues | Tax Foundation

The bottom line is that by adding the portion of the federal gasoline tax that is used for roads, the national average is that fuel tax and user fees total about half of the total road expenditures, just like Minnesail said in post #106.

Even if a person does not own a car or buy gasoline, that person still pays fuel tax and user fees indirectly. Those expenses are factored into the prices of every product at the grocery store, for example.
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This is always frustrating to me. As a new sailor, this is something I study and restudy over and over. Then, when I'm on the water and there's another boat in play, I can NEVER figure out if I'm the stand-on or give-way vessel.

I'm sure I'll get it down at some point. But there's been more than one embarrassing incident to date. In all cases, the other skipper gave me the kind of knowing "you're pretty new at this, aren't you?" look.

I sympathize with your frustration, and I'm equally frustrated that I'm occasionally the cause of it (maybe not for you, specifically; but for other experienced sailors).

If you have have any pointers on how to remember it when I'm _not_ looking at a diagram and actually have the mainsheept, jibsheet, and tiller in hand; I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll keep restudying until it finally sinks in.
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I can NEVER figure out if I'm the stand-on or give-way vessel.
Very, very simply, under power it is much the same as in a car: give way to the vessel to your right, like you would at a 4 way stop sign. The overtaking vessel (the one passing) always has the burden, under sail or power.
Starboard tack (a boat is on the starboard tack when the boom is out to port or if no boom, the wind from the starboard side) is the privileged vessel much of the time.
There's a lot more to it, but as I said, very simply these are the basics. However, please remember that the other guy may be even more clueless than you, so just as in a car, drive defensively in your boat!
I'd suggest you pickup a copy of Royce's Sailing Illustrated, by far the best all around book on sailing, in a fun format. No heavy reading here.
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Agree. Sail like you drive- assume anything can and will jump in front of you at any minute, realize any craft smaller than you you'll probably destroy if you hit it, make your intentions clear as soon as possible and if all else fails avoid the other guy any way you can.
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