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Does one of those rules explain why so many bareboat skippers down here shake their fist and yell "Starboard" at me when they are so obviously motorsailing (the jib furled and the main luffing) while I am actually sailing, on a port tack?


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My experience is that the most chance or collision in a racing scenario anyway is staging for the start, the start itself, then marks. anything else is way too avoidable and just a training exercise. I can make a container ship blow his horn anytime I want without even being in danger but of course he doesn't know that or he wouldnt be blowing his horn.
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I can make a container ship blow his horn anytime I want without even being in danger but of course he doesn't know that or he wouldnt be blowing his horn.
Is this some new kind of game in your area? I can't believe you actually posted this statement. Please tell me I am completely misunderstanding what you posted, because it sounds an awful lot like train surfing or base jumping, to me.

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Is this some new kind of game in your area? I can't believe you actually posted this statement. Please tell me I am completely misunderstanding what you posted, because it sounds an awful lot like train surfing or base jumping, to me.
No not at all. There's one area where the shipping lane turns where we exit a small boat channel when sailing out if you meet with the big guys there's a (potential) collision course. I think they see enough small Boats there to be pretty horn happy but by all means keep it safe out there.
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Yeah, when people stop observing those rules, everything breaks down. It's almost as bad when I'm on port, I adjust course to pass 50' off of the starboard boat's stern, then he starts making radical evasive maneuvers and I have no idea what he's doing. He's probably used to people not respecting his right of way, or maybe my zone of comfort is different from racing (where I might pass 5' off of someone's stern), but the stand-on vessels have to do their part too.
Yeah, I've had this happen. Remember one time I could see if everyone just held their course (including me) we'd pass no problem. As they cross my bow and I'm going to pass about 3 boat lengths behind them, some woman starts screaming and waving her arms as if to tell me to GET AWAY FROM US. Funny thing was I don't think anyone on board even noticed me until then.


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My experience is that the most chance or collision in a racing scenario anyway is staging for the start, the start itself, then marks. anything else is way too avoidable and just a training exercise. I can make a container ship blow his horn anytime I want without even being in danger but of course he doesn't know that or he wouldnt be blowing his horn.


Where I do the beer can racing, we use the channel marks on our side of the river. Don't actually cross the channel but they might not know this. So, to ease the pilots mind, I'll hail them on 13 and tell them to not mind me, I WILL (tack/gybe) around the mark and stay out of their way.
Funny thing is I have a crew that thinks I like to talk on the radio. It's not that, I want the ship to realize I am completely aware of them and where they are going and I will not impede them in any way. Because A) they're working and B) it will make for a bad time if something happens, for both of us!

Don't want them to think I'm some stupid blowboater about to claim rights on them.
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Re: Clueless Sailors?

I've read through this thread, and best I can tell is several of you skippers are part of the problem (I'm just hoping I'm not one of them).

This has forced me to go through an RE-read the rules myself...
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Navigation Rules - Amalgamated

It always bugs me when talking when sailboats meet, when people say "Right of Way," versus "Stand On." There is no "Right of Way."

By the way, not to be confused with these rules of racing (US): http://www.sailing.org/documents/racingrules/index.php
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Re: Clueless Sailors?

I agree with that last sentence. I also agree that if you're the "stand-on" vessel, and you begin avoidance maneuvers too early, that you're often just confusing the give-way vessel.
If I'm the stand-on vessel, I hold my course until I'm certain that the other guy is not adhering to the rules.

And no, that doesn't always mean dodging out of the way at the last moment. There are plenty of ways to know if a skipper is oblivious or willfully ignorant, giving you plenty of time to maneuver.
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Re: Clueless Sailors?

I don't think this collision had anything to do with navigation rules, and everything to do with complete inattention by both boats. I know Lake Champlain well, having been on it all my life, and there's not enough boat traffic in most areas for anyone to really be concerned with navigation rules. I know where this incident occurred and I am sure that neither boat saw the other one until it was too late. I stay away from the few crowded bays and harbors, and maybe (maybe) once a season I have to adjust course because of another boat.

I am not sure I'd own a boat if I had to deal with some of the navigational nightmares discussed in this thread. That does not sound fun at all.
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Re: Clueless Sailors?

I have on several occasions heard sailing instructors at my yacht club tell the kids. "don't worry about the power boats (in the narrow channel) you have right of way.

The hysterical laughter you hear as you drive a way in your"new" boat ..... is the seller.
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