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Investigation Report on deaths in 2015 Clipper Race

https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/acci...oss-of-2-lives

Report of two deaths in the Clipper Round the World Race.

Both are examples of 'One mistake too many!'

Both victims made a fatal error but several other errors contributed to the deaths!
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re: Investigation Report on deaths in 2015 Clipper Race

Uncontrolled gybe on a boat that size must be truly frightening
My sympathies to families of those who passed away...

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re: Investigation Report on deaths in 2015 Clipper Race

This report is regarding an incident in the 2015 edition of the event.. no less tragic, but not current.

I have edited the title to clarify.

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"Clipper Ventures plc has been recommended (2017/107) to review and modify its onboard manning policy and shore-based management procedures so that Clipper yacht skippers are effectively supported, and where appropriate, challenged to ensure safe working practices are maintained continuously on board."
This strikes me as being a step toward anarchy. Who determines "where appropriate" and who then becomes the responsible party?
Those who sail in these kinds of races know and accept the inherent dangers and must trust their captain, to even be aboard. Then they are expected to toss that trust overboard if they think things aren't to their liking?
When push comes to shove, the captain's decisions are the best chance for survival of the vessel and all onboard. If they aren't, then the wrong person was in charge from the beginning.

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"Clipper Ventures plc has been recommended (2017/107) to review and modify its onboard manning policy and shore-based management procedures so that Clipper yacht skippers are effectively supported, and where appropriate, challenged to ensure safe working practices are maintained continuously on board."
This strikes me as being a step toward anarchy. Who determines "where appropriate" and who then becomes the responsible party?
Those who sail in these kinds of races know and accept the inherent dangers and must trust their captain, to even be aboard. Then they are expected to toss that trust overboard if they think things aren't to their liking?
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When push comes to shove, the captain's decisions are the best chance for survival of the vessel and all onboard. If they aren't, then the wrong person was in charge from the beginning.
If that occurred, and didn't become apparent until something bad happened and/or they were well away, then what should happen? The infamous 'Bounty' incident comes to mind..

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Agree...If that occurred, and didn't become apparent until something bad happened and/or they were well away, then what should happen? The infamous 'Bounty' incident comes to mind..
If memory serves, there wasn't anyone else on the Bounty with sufficient experience to make that determination. The captain was the only truly experienced professional aboard.

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Re: Investigation Report on deaths in 2015 Clipper Race

Yes.. and given the format of the Clipper race that scenario is pretty likely again. Two fully qualified skippers in the future??

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Re: Investigation Report on deaths in 2015 Clipper Race

The report was sobering, I'll surely bethinking about the events reported for days.
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I wonder about the comment in the report about careful selection of rope type. What role did the failure of a line have in the accident?

"A recommendation (2017/109) has been made to the Royal Yachting Association, World Sailing and British Marine, which is intended to encourage recreational and professional yachtsmen to consider carefully the type of rope used for specific tasks on board their vessels."
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Oh, I found the answer to my question:

http://www.yachtingworld.com/news/106809-106809/2
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