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OK... what size? You mean AIS B or A???
AIS B, which typically has a range of 5-6 miles, would be great for non commercial vessels. Perhaps boats over a certain size or with engines over a certain horsepower...terms for careful debate.
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AIS B, which typically has a range of 5-6 miles, would be great for non commercial vessels. Perhaps boats over a certain size or with engines over a certain horsepower...terms for careful debate.
As far as I know there is no agency that certifies the sea worthiness of recreational vessels... including safety, navigation and communications equipment. Autos have to pass a state inspection. General aviation planes have mandated inspections as well I assume.

I don't oppose either having guidelines and or a periodic inspection. I see only and upside for the minor inconvenience.

Presently this is all left to either the manufacture... and they don't provide this equipment... or the owners and so do and some don't. Maybe sailing associations and schools have a checklist? But not everyone is a member and not everyone has attended and received their literature.

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USCGAux does voluntary inspections of recreational vessels.
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USCGAux does voluntary inspections of recreational vessels.
I've had a few and I recall they were interested in

flares
life preservers
disposal notices
horn
that sort of stuff

didn't look for a radio, plotter, nav lights (check operation) or inspect the head

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As far as I know there is no agency that certifies the sea worthiness of recreational vessels... including safety, navigation and communications equipment. Autos have to pass a state inspection.
There is an understanding among pilots, that every safety regulation the FAA has passed is underpinned by serious accidents. The Coast Guard has regulatory authority regarding boating safety. However, hopefully, they will pass a regulation mandating AIS B before any more serious accidents occur.
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There is an understanding among pilots, that every safety regulation the FAA has passed is underpinned by serious accidents. The Coast Guard has regulatory authority regarding boating safety. However, hopefully, they will pass a regulation mandating AIS B before any more serious accidents occur.
Can't even get a license qualification for recreational boating into law.

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Can't even get a license qualification for recreational boating into law.
Yeah, just what we need; another law. It's not like you don't get in your car every day to go to work or shopping and see plenty of folks ignoring plenty of perfectly intelligent laws, right? Haven't we all seen some driver driving at night with no headlights at all? It's not about making laws.
But, to break it down to basics, I don't give two piles of dog dodo if anyone can see me because I sincerely believe it is my job to see them. And if they choose to make that much more difficult for me, by using some disembodied light waving madly about high in the sky at some indeterminable distance, then that is their choice and I can't do a dam thing about it.
I have yet to come at all close to running down any yacht lit with proper deck lights and I came very, very close (15') to doing so with one boat using a tricolor. I have had numerous near misses and confusing situations with vessels equipped with tricolors (like those I mentioned to begin this thread), but almost none with deck mounted navigation lights.
Many of you seem to have your own opinions, mostly backed up by supposition and rather than experience, but just remember that the watchstander on the vessels that are the most dangerous to you are not looking at your navigation lights from the same altitude as you are, and 50 to 80 feet makes a huge difference in so many ways.
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.....hopefully, they will pass a regulation mandating AIS B before any more serious accidents occur.
I would support this for night operations or viz below some defined level. Not necessary, if boating in daylight and good viz only. ie just like differing equip requirements for VFR v IFR


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Can't even get a license qualification for recreational boating into law.
NY (and most States) already has mandatory boaters safety education, which requires passing a test. It doesn't seem to matter much, even though I support it. In fact, one can get their 6 pack USCG Captain's license and still be a dope.


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AIS B, which typically has a range of 5-6 miles, would be great for non commercial vessels. Perhaps boats over a certain size or with engines over a certain horsepower...terms for careful debate.
I think you may be a little short on your miles -- 8-10nm maybe more

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