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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

I think there are a number of factors: sailing, seasons, services, and governance (you thought I was going for alliteration didn't you?).

In my opinion estuaries and archipelagos offer the best sailing. In the US that means Maine, Long Island Sound, Chesapeake Bay, the Florida Keys, and the straits of the Pacific Northwest. The Bahamas are wonderful as is the Eastern Caribbean. The Solent is grand. I can't speak to the South Pacific but the stories are wonderful. I have had the good fortune to sail in some other wonderful places although a disturbing number of them have been cold. *grin*

Sometimes seasons and sailing seem to be at odds. If you bundle up just a bit you can sail year round in the PNW. LIS and the Chesapeake really need heat to sail year round but anyone can get 3+ seasons. Both have the odd benefit for those so inclined of four or five months per year with no competition for some glorious anchorages. Maine is a two-and-a-half season sailing ground for all but the hardiest souls. The rest of my list are year round sailing.

You always have to watch out for cyclonic weather in choosing your sailing grounds.

Services are in direct conflict with privacy and isolation. You can get what you want anywhere but time and cost go up. The Florida Keys are a good example of that. So are the Bahamas.

Governance is important, at least to me. The Florida legislature continues to be responsive to homeowners who don't want boats in "their" view. Personally I don't want to spend money I don't have to in that State. Other states (Maryland, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and California come to mind) do silly things but none have gotten so personal (to me) as Florida.

There is no yard stick for these matters. Some people may like "out and back" sailing. Average temperature may mean more to some than others, or be weighted more or less heavily than sailing. We all have to make our own choices. We should not apply our own criteria to the choices other people make.

By way of example, Gary and I look at the same facts, weigh them according to what is important to us, and come to different conclusions. He thinks the Florida Keys can't be beat. You would have to pry me away from the Chesapeake with a crowbar (except for crossing oceans - I love that). Same data, different results. We aren't talking about science here - it is sociology. Gary is still my friend and I respect him and his choices, preferably from my cockpit at anchor in an unnamed creek on the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay.

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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

Avoid Miami like the plague.... Im a naitive...I grew up in Miami..It's gotten to crowded. Its very culturally diverse and thats a sword that cuts both ways... In some respects its great..the food, the music, the culture... and others not so great... The middle to lower Keys are great...Plenty of places to anchor out... good fishing, nice people...gets a bit busy in tourist season.. I live in Ft. Lauderdale now. The sailing in this city is limited to the Ocean as we have no large bays here and dockage can be expensive.

Florida's west coast is really nice...we are considering relocating to the Punta Gorda area. However, Ft. Myers, Cape Coral, and Port Charlotte are all fantastic..the weather is a bit cooler in winter than in South Florida...there's no Gulf Stream to regulate the temperatures.. AND dont forget..Florida has no state income tax.

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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

To put things in perspective - would you rather be doing this:

Or this:


No question in my mind at all. The top video was me blowing the first day's snow from my driveway, which took three hours. The bottom photo was typical of any day of the week sitting in the cockpit in the shade of the Bimini and enjoying a cold brewski.

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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

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To put things in perspective - would you rather be doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef4eHsrNEbE

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No question in my mind at all. The top video was me blowing the first day's snow from my driveway, which took three hours. The bottom photo was typical of any day of the week sitting in the cockpit in the shade of the Bimini and enjoying a cold brewski.

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No doubt in my mind which one... maybe others need 4 more feet of snow before it dawns on them.
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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

Just is if you take all the effort and money to get south aren't there so many places
More beautiful
Less crowded
Less polluted
Less expensive
Less big brother
More exotic and interesting
More pleasant as regards weather and people
Not as flat and unappealing inland
Not arguing changes in latitude changes in attitude but rather the joy of cruising from island to island culture to culture. Every day in low 80s, minimal humidity and constant trades. So nice to get inside the reef and be the only one there if you want to.

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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

Outbound, you forgot to name those places within easy reach of the East Coast of the US.

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That about sums up this weeks weather!! Good one Gary
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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

Gary I've always liked Florida ever since reading MacDonald. But Travis McGee is dead and gone. There are still many wonderful places in Florida and could see my self living in the south west coastal section without trouble even as the kinky true Florida disappears along with the other regional quirks that made this country so interesting. I'm still mobile enough and able to cruise internationally. Until I can't FLA is pretty much off the list. Perhaps a stop off in lauderdale and the keys doing the gentlemans way south but for present that's it.

From New England to get to Florida you either do the ditch or go outside against prevailings. I'm airdraft of 64' and draw 6.5' so the inter coastal is not a stress free trip. After Beaufort sc seems much better to just go outside. Even if it is a benign trip its very time consuming as I have not the desire to travel the ICW at night. I hate having the engine on so not a ICW fan. Going outside down the coast can be difficult as well passing some of the most dangerous capes in this country.

With less time, less engine hours, and less stress I can get to BVIs in 8-12 days. Then work down the island chain never seeing an ugly sight and enjoying some of the best sailing there is. Sure the way home is a different story and depending on the hand dealt may see the keys and east coast. Wife wants to see south coast of Cuba. If we do that probably will stop off in Florida.

Gary think Florida is a great sailing state with many different environments please don't take my comments the wrong way. May end up living on a Grand Banks as your neighbor in a few years so want to be friends.

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Re: Is Florida all its cracked up to be?

I grew up in FL. I've lived elsewhere as well, most recently in the Boston area. I'm back in FL for a reason. You can sail year-round, the cost of living is less than other places with good sailing. The food is great. The Keys are right there.

I never understood the hatred of Florida I've encountered around the country.

I used to live aboard in Biscayne Bay. Good luck finding another place as nice to live aboard in the continental US. Remember: there's no income tax here. The cost of living is even lower than you suspect once you factor that in. Waterfront housing with dockage is cheaper than crappy inland apartment living in Boston.

If enough sane people move here, we might even be able to fix that crazy legislature.

Docking is $10-$12/ft per month in most places, moorings are cheaper. There are still free anchorages in some places.

I never, ever, want to shovel snow again.
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