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Re: Serious attack on cruisers in Haiti - Injuries

Some of this is Bonfire of the Vanities and some circular reasoning.
If you are actually cruising you will be new to the next area you visit. You will not have local knowledge. Through cruiseheimers or like nets you can ask but even that input may not be current or correct.
No country does not have bad elements including your own. Maybe it's a small %age but that's irrelevant if you are unfortunate enough to interact with that sociopath.
There are hots spots in all countries be it east side of Tortola or St Johns or Nausau or the ABCs or Haiti or western carribean or wherever. Yes there are regions that are unsafe as well. Accept pragmatically carrying firearms is difficult and likely ineffectual. Similarly in general risks are the same as if you were unlucky or unwise in your home town.
Yes do what you can to mitigate your risks but as said sinking from a lighting strike is more likely.

BTW not having a raft especially if you sail outside helicopter range or in areas such as the carribean where SAR is often by volunteers is just foolish.

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BTW not having a raft especially if you sail outside helicopter range or in areas such as the carribean where SAR is often by volunteers is just foolish.
Not arguing for or against rafts just that sometimes you are better spending limited time and resources on significantly higher risks. A captain can do a lot to prevent sinking for the cost of a life raft. Just because I have a life raft on a Mcgregor 26 doesn't mean I should sail it to Bermuda.
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Fear and more fear. 99% of folks want to get along and live in healthy and safe places. It is a very small number of people that want to harm others.
It's not fear mongering, it's simple fact. If it scares you that pirates do indeed exist, even though you are statistically never going to interact with them, that's your choice.

It's also your choice whether or not you want to prepare for that 1% that might happen. Like I said elsewhere, for many of you it's just not worth the hassle preparing for that 1%. And that is also perfectly fine and reasonable.

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Prepare for the 1% but make sure you are prepared for the other 99% first. Limited time and resources means you must quantify and mitigate significant risks first. That is only prudent and rational. I might get shot standing on the bow working sails but I am more likely to go overboard and drown. Should I choose a bullet proof vest or a harness and PFD? Should I buy the bullet proof vest while neglecting other and more significant risks. That is my point. Part of good seamanship is to be prepared for the 1%. Where does piracy fall on the long list of risk? Should I waste my limited resources of time and money mitigating the greater threat first or instead focus on the least probable?
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So now we have terrorist groups with more money than gawd and you think that they are going to steal a 5/6 knot 40' sailboat for a terrorist attack, when they can legally buy something a great deal bigger and faster and more able to avoid the authorities, that no one is looking for?
I don't.
And, ehm, they would also have to learn to sail the darn thing. And to dock it at least well enough to not drown, and not to crash into so many things that the whole neighborhood wakes up.

Wouldn't be my first choice as a terrorist.
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Article never mentioned sailing vessels and neither have I if misunderstood by anyone here... But to believe the pirates aren't sailors or know how to sail a vessel, how do you think they're out there in the seas to start out with, they aren't afraid of the dangerous ocean so surely because they use a powerboat does not mean anyone of them does not know how to sail... not rocket science as others have mentioned in other threads?
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Article never mentioned sailing vessels and neither have I if misunderstood by anyone here... But to believe the pirates aren't sailors or know how to sail a vessel, how do you think they're out there in the seas to start out with, they aren't afraid of the dangerous ocean so surely because they use a powerboat does not mean anyone of them does not know how to sail... not rocket science as others have mentioned in other threads?
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We should encourage them to spend more time on the forums...
Agree... much less dangerous here... at the worse maybe carpal tunnel syndrome at the keyboards!
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Article never mentioned sailing vessels and neither have I if misunderstood by anyone here... But to believe the pirates aren't sailors or know how to sail a vessel, how do you think they're out there in the seas to start out with, they aren't afraid of the dangerous ocean so surely because they use a powerboat does not mean anyone of them does not know how to sail... not rocket science as others have mentioned in other threads?
This was not about your garden variety pirates but about the fear that terrorists take over boats as a means to get to the US undetected
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This was not about your garden variety pirates but about the fear that terrorists take over boats as a means to get to the US undetected
Don't know about 'garden variety' pirates (need them in my garden working away)... but any pirate boarding your vessel you're not going to know their motives... be it riches of the loot or the vessel for other motives... Pirates are terroristic one way or another... motives well... that's another you won't know till it happens.
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