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I want to know more about "losing propulsion". Was there only one motor and shaft?
The first reports I heard talked about a breached hatch and down flooding that caused a loss of power.

I don't know if later reports confirmed this. The "facts" tend to evolve in these types of accidents...

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The first reports I heard talked about a breached hatch and down flooding that caused a loss of power.

I don't know if later reports confirmed this. The "facts" tend to evolve in these types of accidents...
I am still bothered by how the decks seem to tilt down toward the the super structure. Especially the aft end of the ship. I keep thinking the torrential rains experienced in the Hurricane pouring down on the deck and collecting against the superstructure might be the cause of the flooding if some hatch came undone or was opened and unable to be closed because of the force of the water against it. I guess a look with an ROV would be able to confirm if any hatches were open or missing when the ship went down.

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Looks like EL FARO was not the only vessel and crew lost recently after sailing in close proximity to a tropical storm...

A brand-new Beneteau Oceanis 60, and her crew of 5, has disappeared on a delivery from Hong Kong to the Phillipines, after meeting with a typhoon the skipper initially believed would "fizzle out", according to this report...

http://www.sail-world.com/Hong-Kong-...elivery/139011
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It lost propulsion, which is undoubtedly what ultimately took them down. Of course, they could have stayed in port or diverted too. As things cooked up, they would have had some options, if the screw was still turning.

I want to know more about "losing propulsion". Was there only one motor and shaft?
This was a steam ship. Propulsion plant is two boilers, a pair of steam turbines (high pressure and low pressure, a single reduction gear, and a single shaft and propeller. I spent four years of my life operating plants exactly like that.

While pure speculation on my part, I suspect they lost power, then due to rolling, lost some boxes overboard and some hatch covers came loose. At that point, it was only a matter of time before she was done for.
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Excellent article:

We Won't Learn Anything: What Sank El Faro and What Didn't - gCaptain
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Brilliant article!
Mario really is excellent. You w/o Remember his great work on the Bounty inquiry.

And in this article he doesn't mince words...
"Phil Greene of Tote Maritime made the further assertion that the ship losing power is what ultimately led to the tragedy. This was more evidence of a culture of flawed risk management at Tote. Ships lose power all the time; they don?t sink because of it. Losing power is a possibility that ship owners and operators are supposed to have a written plan for. In fact, it?s the law. "
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Looks like EL FARO was not the only vessel and crew lost recently after sailing in close proximity to a tropical storm...

A brand-new Beneteau Oceanis 60, and her crew of 5, has disappeared on a delivery from Hong Kong to the Phillipines, after meeting with a typhoon the skipper initially believed would "fizzle out", according to this report...

Sail World - Hong Kong yacht missing on South China Sea delivery
Sometimes, I think you just have to have actually been in a hurricane to know how bad they are. I remember going through my first one (a Cat 3 on land) and finding out that it was much, much, worse than anything I had imagined.

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Re: U.S. coast guard searching for ship near Bahamas

There is a great book by Ed Viesturs, No Shortcuts to the Top. He's the most accomplished American mountain climber and turned back from his first summit attempt on Everest when just a few hundred feet away (he has since summitted Everest something like 7 times). He had reached what he knew was the safe time of day to begin his descent.

The premise of the book is how one knows the safe decisions they should make, when sitting in the comfort of their living room. Those that climb safely are the ones that make those same decisions, when actually faced with the situation.

The concept applies to all endeavors that require risk management. Great read.
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US Merchant Marine companies are all struggling to stay alive in the face of stiff competition from foreign companies, especially Russian cargo fleet. In this environment decisions are often made that push the envelope in order to save the bottom line. There is no doubt in my mind that it was a huge factor in this this tragedy.

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Re: U.S. coast guard searching for ship near Bahamas

Perhaps not. This is a Jones Act route. IIRC any route between US ports MUST be done by a US flag vessel with a US crew.

Can someone more in the know confirm or deny that?

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