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Charter with disastrous Outcome

Look at this story:

Cheeki Rafiki yacht death charges to be brought - BBC News

Can you charter a boat... cross the Atlantic to participate in a race, and then sail it back to UK?
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Why is it the charter company's fault that the keel fell off?

Lack of maintenance/inspection?

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Re: Charter with disastrous Outcome

Obviously you can pay someone $X and they will rent you a boat... the question I posed was this a charter business and do charter businesses charter for offshore crossings and races?
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Re: Charter with disastrous Outcome

There is a lot more detail about this event over at SA... Simply put there appeared to have been multiple groundings of the boat before it was cleared for charter off shore.

My own humble, and very limited experience, I can honestly say, I'm shocked anyone would WANT to take a charter boat off shore, much less trust their lives to it. The charter boats keep their bottom line by maintaining boats to be ready for service quickly... That is generally a serviceable condition. However, they aren't usually in the business of keeping them up to the latest offshore specs. Also what I call the "rental car" mentality kicks in for people where "its not my boat what do I care" comes in.

Many folks would cringe bringing their own boats into skinny waters... but think nothing of doing it to a charter boat. Watched a couple people run aground at Anegada with a 5ft draft, going places they had no business being (clearly marked on charts, guides, and invariably on their chartplotters)... Its a good thing most of the places they ran aground there were sand only.

Anyway... I suppose there is evidence that the charter company knew the boat was grounded several times (which would be required to prove any kind of manslaughter), but the bigger deal would be if they thought that repairs were not sufficient, and therefore knew the boat to be unseaworthy... that's gonna be tougher to prove.
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Obviously you can pay someone $X and they will rent you a boat... the question I posed was this a charter business and do charter businesses charter for offshore crossings and races?
Not sure of any currently doing it, but there have been some races specifically designed for this. I think the Sir Robin Knox-Johnston's Clipper race was set up like that, they built all boats to be the same, and you chartered the boats from them to participate.

But this situation will certainly make any charter companies think twice. I have also heard that people will charter boats to race locally especially in the Caribbean.

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Re: Charter with disastrous Outcome

Did the keel fall off due to a design/manufacturing flaw, inadequate inspection/maintenance, damage by others, or some combination of factors?

If the court found the owner of the company operating the boat responsible for gross negligence, that would suggest that the court found flaws in inspection/maintenance.

So what Merchant Shipping law did Stormforce violate?
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Here is an article that will clear up the questions on violation, sounds like there is much grey in this case

What happened to Cheeki Rafiki? Key findings from the official Marine Accident Investigation Branch report - Yachting World
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Thank you for this link. I have been wondering how they were going to define safe, which of course is a requirement if you are going to prove unsafe.

This article explains how they were playing the two classification organisations to beat inspection requirements.

The case just got a lot more clear for me.
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Daydreamer41,

Thank you for this link. I have been wondering how they were going to define safe, which of course is a requirement if you are going to prove unsafe.

This article explains how they were playing the two classification organisations to beat inspection requirements.

The case just got a lot more clear for me.
Another interesting avenue followed from this article, is how many Beneteau's or similarly constructed keel matrix's have failed and how a light grounding can upset this matrix and then how difficult it is to diagnose the beginning of the failure.
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