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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

Wow. Pretty serious response.
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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

In our three interactions with the US Navy all in international waters and far from any enemy they refused to use the VHF to negotiate passing or switch on their AIS. We thought that they chose to ignore COLREGS and just 'throw their weight around' but now it appears that they might not have known the rules of the road.

I doubt the charged officers were maliciously incompetent they were just caught up in a culture that had chosen to minimize seamanship.

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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

"maliciously incompetent"... that's a weird turn of phrase here.

If anything it is dereliction of duty or disregard for human life and the consequence associated with this jobs on board... negligent homicide works for me.

It seems to me that as we are not in a state of war, navy ships need to conduct themselves like any other vessel of the size and follow the rules and use competent well trained / qualified crew and command structure. As there were multiple accidents of not dissimilar nature it seems to indicate that there was a systemic problem with the navy... and if this is the case the higher ups at the Pentagon need to be held accountable as well.
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As there were multiple accidents of not dissimilar nature it seems to indicate that there was a systemic problem with the navy... and if this is the case the higher ups at the Pentagon need to be held accountable as well.
As stated: "Navy Adm. John M. Richardson, the chief of naval operations, has promised that the service will get back to basics and emphasize the fundamentals of good seamanship"

Most likely will go all the way back to re-evaluating leadership training at the Academy..
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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

sounds like a witch hunt
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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

Maybe so, but it looks like 'the basics' had been seen as...not necessary...in recent times.

When I was in (not Navy), you did it right....or later wished you had.
There was no BS room...or touchy feelings involved or tolerated.
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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

Doesn't seem that long ago that the Navy was regarded as setting the standard for seamanship.
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"maliciously incompetent"... that's a weird turn of phrase here
Hanlon's razor is an aphorism expressed in various ways including "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Re: Navy to file criminal charges..

This originates from the top.
So sad....the weakness
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