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Fine ladies and gentlemen, do you find that water can be wet?
Jeez.....
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Grand juries do not convict, nor do they return "not guilty" verdicts. The whole point is for a prosecutor (not persecutor) to present evidence and essentially get feedback from citizen jurors about whether they find the evidence persuasive as to the subject's guilt.
I spent a month on grand jury duty.

All it really is is a chance for a prosecutor, and only the prosecutor, to spoon feed the jury the absolute barebones of the "facts" in order for the grand jury to believe that there "may" have been a crime that "that person may have done it". The bar is so low an ant can jump over it.

I lost track of how many cases we would hear each morning (never all day because they would have to buy the jury lunch then)
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Fine ladies and gentlemen, do you find that water can be wet?
Jeez.....
It might, lets convene a grand jury to see if there's enough to proceed.

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It might, lets convene a grand jury to see if there's enough to proceed.
We want their feedback after receiving input from only one side....so we can do a test run.
Makes perfect fkg sense....
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Makes me think that the captain's mental faculties weren't all there either, although potentially the incident itself left him in some sort of shock that affected his mental reasoning.
That or the current threat gave him lazer "fight or flight" focus. After a few days of wondering how to deal with the deteriorating mental condition of this crew member then when Pontius became psychotic and violent, he likely 'thought how am I going to survive this conflict?' When the man jumped overboard he said, 'wow that was easier than i thought.'

If at least one member of the crew thought it was a good idea to try and bring him back onboard, efforts would have been made.

That does not mean the Captain might not go to prison. It is an unfortunate story.
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Once, in my previous professional life, I was shown a jail cell in Penn Station, NYC. itís a holding cell before moving folks out of the station. This cell was made of heavy steel. Everything welded. The walls were dented and the bars twisted. Iíve seen guys go berserk a couple of times. In high school I helped restrain the fellow, basically the front line of the football team restrained this 98 pounder, barely and with difficulty. And in boot camp something similar occurred and a guy wanted to walk out the second story window, took half the squad to stop him.

When someone looses their mind they can release an awful destructive force. You canít believe it unless youíve seen it.
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Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged

I can only imagine this group of posters as the Grand Jury
Arguing about Hippa and semantics
Never coming to any concerns
No one would ever be indicted
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I can only imagine this group of posters as the Grand Jury
Arguing about Hippa and semantics
Never coming to any concerns
No one would ever be indicted
Hung Jury ya think?

Many people here are only focusing on what happened after the Captain goaded this guy on and waited until after it was too late to mitigate the situation. If the reports of the Captain's actions instigating hostility early on hold up then that puts quite a different spin on things. The trial and indictment will likely focus more on that inaction and hostile situation potentially fostered by the Captain prior to the crewman's going berserk along with the timeline of events that followed when they sailed away.

Our discussion on this pretty much guarantees that none of us will be acceptable as jurors

This may become more of a case about Captain's who bully their crew and turn into a Modern Day Captain Bligh out on the water.

We may do well to consider how hard we rib or tease folks on our boats (really anywhere) even if we think that we are doing it in a good natured manner and mean no real harm by it.
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I can only imagine this group of posters as the Grand Jury
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No one would ever be indicted
It's a General Discussion forum Chef. People discuss things in forums.
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No one would ever be indicted
Donít worry, we would indict him. Everyone gets indicated

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