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davidpm 12-09-2018 11:47 PM

Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 

john61ct 12-10-2018 12:41 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
Wow. There but for the grace of god. . .

krisscross 12-10-2018 02:55 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
What a nightmare. But there are some troubling details, placing the captain in a weaker spot, such as not following the standard MOB protocol. Still, I hope that captain is exonerated because it wasnt an accident and jumper was a clear risk to boat and crew. Self defense trumps following proper MOB protocol, at least IMO.

Minnewaska 12-10-2018 08:32 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
That's a tough one. I'm sure there is more to it, as I've become highly jaded that the media rushes too much out, without proper vetting.

Nevertheless, there are a couple of exposures for the Captain, as I read them. First, it seems the crew gave the victim a scop patch. These are well known to cause hallucinations in some people. That could be deemed causal.

The second is a bother. I'm trying to imagine not turning around for an MOB. Maybe if sea state was life threatening, but that wasn't mentioned. Indeed, the odds were near zero, but not trying at all has to be some sort of dereliction.

This statement is so ridiculous, it causes suspicion......

Quote:

You cant just turn a boat like that around in the middle of the ocean, Larson said.

Minnewaska 12-10-2018 08:34 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
My ill informed wager on outcome is he is found guilty, because he made zero effort at rescue, stripped of his captain's ticket (at least for a period of time), but serves little to no time.

SeaStar58 12-10-2018 09:36 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnewaska (Post 2051568814)
That's a tough one. I'm sure there is more to it, as I've become highly jaded that the media rushes too much out, without proper vetting.

Nevertheless, there are a couple of exposures for the Captain, as I read them. First, it seems the crew gave the victim a scop patch. These are well known to cause hallucinations in some people. That could be deemed causal.

The second is a bother. I'm trying to imagine not turning around for an MOB. Maybe if sea state was life threatening, but that wasn't mentioned. Indeed, the odds were near zero, but not trying at all has to be some sort of dereliction.

This statement is so ridiculous, it causes suspicion......

First they brag on what an expert seaman he is with many years experience but he isn't capable of turning a boat around to perform a standard MOB maneuver?

Waited until the next day to report it sounds fishy too.

That they waited three years to charge him could mean that they have been building their case to better ensure the charges stick as statutes of limitation for murder or manslaughter can give them an infinite amount of time before charges need to be filed.

After the criminal case is over we may see a civil law suite too. No gloves involved here?

mbianka 12-10-2018 09:52 AM

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Another good reason to sail alone when one can. You never can know what demons others might carry on board once out at sea. This story reminded me of another fellow jumping into the sea but, from cockpit much higher off the water:
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davidpm 12-10-2018 10:03 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnewaska (Post 2051568814)
Nevertheless, there are a couple of exposures for the Captain, as I read them. First, it seems the crew gave the victim a scop patch. These are well known to cause hallucinations in some people. That could be deemed causal.

Wow, I have to look that up.

Here it is: https://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/scopolamine

Rare but it happens.

The guy may have been taking other medications.

The story makes it sound like the captain was pissed at the guy rather than looking at it like a medical problem the guy had little control over.

tempest 12-10-2018 10:19 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
Schedules!!

Who knows all the conversations that took place. The man was seasick, within an hour of leaving the dock, and never recovered. They never met him before. Why not Turn the boat around, or head for Charleston or Jacksonville and drop him off?

The man didn't disclose his medical history ( heart, anti-depressants, Antibiotics etc.) That's on him! But, at the same they didn't think to ask? Yes, you can turn a boat around in the ocean! Unless you're more worried about a schedule?

The Gun and the Pot...will do nothing but hurt his credibility in this regardless of how capable he was. Tough luck for all involved. One mistake can ruin your life.

SanderO 12-10-2018 10:28 AM

Re: Suicide at Sea and captain charged
 
I've done enough ocean passages with crew to know that you'll be in a very small place... where you'll have to work together and tolerate people's idiosyncrasies.

Always best to know the crew, their experience and come with strong positive recommendations. If they are a nice pleasant person when you interview them... they could be lying or putting on a show. And you may learn it was a huge mistake. Or you make get lucky. Reduce the risk... do your due diligence in vetting people you go out into the ocean with.


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