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But let's just say, the ideas expressed by the title and in the "news item" linked to

I find pretty reprehensible.
So, when are you sailing to the Med to help ferry the migrants across?
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It is also human nature to murder a man because we covet his wife.

Our species' progress has always been a battle against our more primitive instincts.

That said, the perception of ideas of "tribes" and "races" having different values of human life is to me a socially taught construct, not genetic.
The foundational religious text of the West clearly places a different value on members of one's tribe vs outsiders. Do you consider it to be socially taught constructs or reflecting human nature?

Do you value your own life, or that of your family, above those of strangers who may end up taking it?
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Re: Do not pick up illegal migrants!

To be sure they're illegal do you have to check their passports first? Or can you tell by just how they look?
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To be sure they're illegal do you have to check their passports first? Or can you tell by just how they look?
How can they be illegal in international waters?
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Re: Do not pick up illegal migrants!

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Bear in mind that Key West is only one of many places that exists because wreckers intentionally lit false lights, to lure merchant ships onto the rocks. Death and wreckage being expected and intentional.
Piracy, fake distress signals, scams are not limited to land or sea. By all means be merciful--but remember there *are* tigers in the night.
The problem is that the logical solution to the "refugee crisis" is for some powerful players to...Well, step in, declare war, throw the evildoers out, and impose civilization of some sort. What Kipling called "the white man's burden".
Oh yeah, that phrase goes over well these days. So, how do you address the root problem without getting crucified? Or do you just charter free flights for anyone who wants to come in? That's got some problems too...
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Re: Do not pick up illegal migrants in the Med!

Poops, I didn't mean the thread to be proactive re the Cuba situation.

So I changed to title to say 'the Med'. There the situation is quite abnormal and a humanitarian disaster from the Syrian war and militancy in North Africa.

On a trip across the Atlantic in 2010 from the Caranry Islands to the Caribbean I snuck into the skippers briefing of a large rally heading west. There was a stark warning to watch for boats between Africa and the Cape Verde Islands.

In the Med itself the distance between the north African coast and Italy is quite short and an attractive option for some.
Also there's been stories of traffickers taking peoples money and then when offshore jumping into another boat leaving the unfortunates in non seaworthy boats without food, water of means of navigation.

Standing off and contacting the 'authorities' sounds like the method that I would have to do.

Its sad this is what we have come to.

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I fear we will see worse, much worse.
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Re: Do not pick up illegal migrants in the Med!

Story of a sailboat coming across refugees in distress in the Med.

https://youtu.be/tyvcxmAescU

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