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Were they in distress, or just out of communication?
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Two men and their dog, who had been missing since setting sail from Jamestown, RI on Oct. 23, have been found safe about 100 miles off the coast of Cape Henry, NC, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.

Ryan Hollis, Joshua Kane Cairone, and a French bulldog named Louis-the-buoy were last seen aboard a white 43-foot Benneteau sailboat named Carol K. via social media post at 12:41 p.m., Wednesday, October 23.

The were found by a rescue aircrew flying an HC-130 out of Elizabeth City, NC.

Coast Guard watchstanders were first notified about the missing boaters from a phone call from Hollis’ girlfriend reporting him overdue Friday.

Search and rescue crews include an HC-130 aircrew from Coast Guard Air Station Elizabeth City, North Carolina, and an HC-144 aircrew from Air Station Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Rescue crews completed multiple searches over large areas of the East Coast of the United States covering more than 30,000 square nautical miles.


#BreakingNews #UPDATE: The Coast Guard has safely located the two missing men and their dog 100 miles off the coast of Cape Henry, NC. They were found by a rescue aircrew flying an HC-130 out of Elizabeth City, NC. #SAR @USCGNortheast @uscgmidatlantic


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Uh Cape Henry North Carolina is near Raleigh according to Google. Probably meant to say Cape Henry Virginia. Still good news they were found safe and sound. Still think a lot of effort and anxiety could have been avoided had they just carried a cheap tracking device like a Delorme or Inreach device. Seems like cheap insurance for their passage.
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Re: Looking for Carol K

Perhaps they continued past VA and that's why they're overdue.


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Still think a lot of effort and anxiety could have been avoided had they just carried a cheap tracking device like a Delorme or Inreach device. Seems like cheap insurance for their passage.
No. A lot of effort and anxiety could be avoided by simply managing expectations of shore people. These almost weekly BOLA's are annoying. It seems like everyone thinks cruising is done to time tables like airlines or trains, and apparently those doing the cruising have failed to manage the expectations of those they leave behind.

Cruising should not be about constant tracking and having shore assistance alerting authorities the very minute or hour one does not make their intended destination. In this case, and every other one in recent memory, a Delorme-type device provides no insurance at all, because everyone was safe and happy anyway. It might have saved much money on SAR sorties in this case, but that isn't the purpose of those devices, and this type of situation could easily be avoided without one.

In a case last year or so, the Delorme actually CAUSED a SAR to commence because it stopped transmitting for a day.

Instead, an EPIRB and rugged communication gear like SSB or Satphone - activated when needed by the ship crew - is the correct answer.

I'm afraid we may be entering an age of crying wolf that is going to bite someone in real trouble eventually.

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Seems to be kinda dumb and inconsiderate not to have a locator or AIS B or a regular radio / telephone schedule. If they weren't lost or in distress... they endangered the USCG and wasted a lot of money for those searches.
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Seems to be kinda dumb and inconsiderate not to have a locator or AIS B or a regular radio / telephone schedule. If they weren't lost or in distress... they endangered the USCG and wasted a lot of money for those searches.
The boat crew didn't endanger anyone or waste any time - the shore person/people did. I guess by extension the boat people could be blamed for not managing the shore people correctly, but I've no way of knowing this.

Like I mentioned earlier, there was one case recently where a SAR was initiated because a locator stopped transmitting for a day and the owner left instructions to call authorities if he was lost.

This is not the correct way of handling emergencies. The boat crew themselves are responsible for initiating SAR, and should be equipped to do so. The exception might be something like "I'm due at my next landfall around X date. If you don't hear from me by X+Y date, then alert authorities". The "Y" in this case would be a large number proportional to "X".

It would not be hours, or even a couple of days.

I'm not sure how an AIS would have helped in this situation. That isn't really a ship-shore communication.

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The boat crew didn't endanger anyone or waste any time - the shore person/people did. I guess by extension the boat people could be blamed for not managing the shore people correctly, but I've no way of knowing this.

Like I mentioned earlier, there was one case recently where a SAR was initiated because a locator stopped transmitting for a day and the owner left instructions to call authorities if he was lost.

This is not the correct way of handling emergencies. The boat crew themselves are responsible for initiating SAR, and should be equipped to do so. The exception might be something like "I'm due at my next landfall around X date. If you don't hear from me by X+Y date, then alert authorities". The "Y" in this case would be a large number proportional to "X".

It would not be hours, or even a couple of days.

I'm not sure how an AIS would have helped in this situation. That isn't really a ship-shore communication.

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Well yeah... and AIS B can be followed online even if the position lags.

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By now the dog is prob pulling watch duty.
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The boat crew didn't endanger anyone or waste any time - the shore person/people did. I guess by extension the boat people could be blamed for not managing the shore people correctly, but I've no way of knowing this.

Like I mentioned earlier, there was one case recently where a SAR was initiated because a locator stopped transmitting for a day and the owner left instructions to call authorities if he was lost.

This is not the correct way of handling emergencies. The boat crew themselves are responsible for initiating SAR, and should be equipped to do so. The exception might be something like "I'm due at my next landfall around X date. If you don't hear from me by X+Y date, then alert authorities". The "Y" in this case would be a large number proportional to "X".

It would not be hours, or even a couple of days.

I'm not sure how an AIS would have helped in this situation. That isn't really a ship-shore communication.

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Yeah agree the shore relations could have chilled a bit. But, a cheap Sat Traker would have taken away any fear that they were in trouble with reassuring breadcrumb locations posted online. If it fails as you mention at least the SAR crew have a last known location which would narrow any search area which is a very good thing.

EPIRB may or may not be activated depending on the nature of the emergency. Remember El Faro? But I agree would be very good to have. Still does not ease the worry of family or friends.

Sat Phone a real plus but $$$.

SSB is fine as long as you have power and the rigging is still up.

AIS signal might be picked up by nearby shipping and noted in Ships Log and be able assist any SAR with a location.

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The skipper seems to have provided a float plan to a responsible person. The responsible person alerted the CG, as they should, when the boat was overdue to check in.

The skipper should have alerted the responsible person when/if he deviated from the float plan.

SAR did what they are supposed to do. Dudes and dog are safe.

I feel for the dog.
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