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Re: Marina destruction

I searched another site for “denied insurance claim” and found this statement.

“Dozens of boats in La Paz during Hurricane Marty found out about the 'NO canvas clause' AFTER their insurance claims were denied. A local insurance adjuster filmed all the boats while motoring around the bay shortly after the wtorm”

Don’t know if that is true, no reason to doubt it. Makes sense.

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I searched another site for “denied insurance claim” and found this statement.

“Dozens of boats in La Paz during Hurricane Marty found out about the 'NO canvas clause' AFTER their insurance claims were denied. A local insurance adjuster filmed all the boats while motoring around the bay shortly after the wtorm”

Don’t know if that is true, no reason to doubt it. Makes sense.
You said that your comment was from personal experience. I guess not...it's just truthiness.

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Re: Marina destruction

Show me where I said that.


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“The few folks I talked to about the losses in the VI’s all expressed dismay at how claims were handled. Many were denied out of hand, others were written off as a total loss without any survey. All over the place.”

I also said...

“My personal experience with insurance underwriters has been less than promising, very, very little clue as to what they were about, understanding the risks.”

My personal experience is with UNDERWRITERS, not claims agents.

I’ll restrain sarcastic retorts, in interest of retaining good relations. I know there are times when I don’t read close enough and am will to understand. Calling me a liar (truthiness) is a bit uncalled for.

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I really do not want to get into this discussion and I am not sure why I am but here goes. The OP repeatedly calls the marina in 'New Boring' even though he has been informed it was New Bern. I can only assume he is doing that as a 'slur' against the area. It is a very visible marina that the news can cover easily and produce some dramatic film. On down the Neuse river there are many marina's, in Oriental (also on the Neuse and closer to the sound) there are over 3,000 boats in marina's like Pecan Grove, Fairfield harbor, Whitaker Point, Sea Harbor, River Dunes, etc. These did not make the news, they are better sheltered and impossible to get to after the storm (and still are by vehicle) and were as prepared (by the boat owners and marina staff's) as was possible given the dire predictions of a 13' surge. I know some sailboats were lost there as well, but the film from New Bern is not necessarily representative of the area. I live in the area and anchored my boat to tree's well up a creek and it survived, it could have easily not have by any one of many reasons. I think the OP has some valid points in his statements concerning owner responsibility, but I also think there are mitigating circumstances. Preparing my home, looking out for the safety of my family (by leaving) took precedence over prep for the boat, so I was only able to do so much (in this case sufficient). So all I am trying to say is that looking at the much bigger picture may give one a different perspective.
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Preparing my home, looking out for the safety of my family (by leaving) took precedence over prep for the boat, so I was only able to do so much (in this case sufficient).
Thank you, you make my point for me. Though you had other, more important responsibilities, you did in fact make an effort to mitigate damage to your boat, unlike those this post is about.
After that summer at the marina in New Boring, the place will be forever etched in my mind as New Boring, NC. I am happy that you like the place, though.

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Capn Ron: I'd be curious to hear about your prep.

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Any competent captain with a boat in New Bern who saw, three or four days before the storm hit, the predicted tidal surge of over nine feet would have gotten the hell outta there. If you didn't leave you are not competent.

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Show me where I said that...I’ll restrain sarcastic retorts, in interest of retaining good relations. I know there are times when I don’t read close enough and am will to understand. Calling me a liar (truthiness) is a bit uncalled for.
You're right, you did not say that. Someone else claimed to base his comments on direct experience. I apologize for attributing this to you. Thanks for holding off the sarcasm - it was charitable of you, and certainly time for me to tone it down.

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Any competent captain with a boat in New Bern who saw, three or four days before the storm hit, the predicted tidal surge of over nine feet would have gotten the hell outta there. If you didn't leave you are not competent.
I still think this is overly judgmental. Some locals may have just been overwhelmed with getting family and irreplaceable possessions packed up, low-lying homes sandbagged and boarded up, medical equipment relocated...a whole host of other things that are higher on the pecking order than a boat. I'm speculating, but so are you (apparently), and it's just not fair to these people who suffered a tragedy to pass such judgment against them with a broad brush stroke.

I don't know specifics, but I would speculate that it might have been impossible to even get to some marinas if roads were turned one-way away from shore areas to facilitate evacuation and prevent looters from moving in. Law enforcement officers often have other priorities than making life easier for yachties.

Were the bridges even opening for boats during those last few days? According to my chart Front Street Bascule has 14 ft vertical clearance, and looks like it could prevent sailboats from getting out of Bridgepoint and Grand. Someone posted on another thread that ICW bridges were not opening, so maybe there were similar issues in New Bern.

I suspect others who have local knowledge can provide actual facts, but right now they probably have other priorities putting their lives back together.

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My hurricane prep for the boat started 10 years ago when we moved to Oriental. I keep my 35' sailboat at the dock by our house on a creek off the Neuse with open exposure to the river. So I needed a plan to secure the boat during hurricanes. The plan evolved over several years and continues to be refined. I purchased several long lengths of heavy rode and chain, a mooring ball, a hefty swivel, mooring pendents and numerous hardware to connect it all together. I strip the boat of sails and canvas and move it farther up the creek sheltered from the river. I attach the bottom of the swivel to at least 3 anchor points. This year I used a tree, on the far side of the creek, a piling from a neighbors dock (connecting to the bottom of the piling with chain) and a Danforth anchor with all chain rode (65') in our NC mud. The mooring ball and the boat are attached to the top of the swivel, so the boat is free to face into the wind. I use 2 pendents from the boat to the swivel.

I wrap tie all exposed lines to the mast and boom. I cover the instruments with heavy garbage bags and duct tape it in place. I leave my bilge pump on with a electronic float switch. The plan has worked for Irene, Mathew an now Florence, with sustained winds of 70 knots in Oriental. Obviously I am blessed with a good location near home but just getting the rigging all put together and in place takes a couple of days. It will take me a couple of days to clean it all up afterwards as well. As I move into my mid 70's it is taking longer and longer.
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