Marina destruction - Page 9 - SailNet Community
 77Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #81 of 93 Old 09-22-2018
Senior Member
 
travlin-easy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Maryland - USA
Posts: 6,609
Thanks: 1
Thanked 130 Times in 109 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: Marina destruction

No, it's a good friend of Piotr's, Dave Estes. Piotr's boat is safe and sound at Perryville, directly across the fairway from my boat.

Gary
travlin-easy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #82 of 93 Old 09-22-2018 Thread Starter
Master Mariner
 
capta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: somewhere south of civilization
Posts: 7,231
Thanks: 138
Thanked 391 Times in 379 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: Marina destruction

Quote:
Originally Posted by Untrained View Post
Having just moved to a hurricane zone I have a question about anchoring for a storm. I would think that you should anchor from both ends of the boat up a river, but I don't know what I don't know.
I did do a search for storm anchoring, but couldn't find an answer. Any of you experienced people care to educate me on this? Or point me to another thread?
Thanks
For me, it's always different, depending on where I must anchor for a storm.
My number one preference is in a river, lagoon or creek with mangroves. Setting out as many anchors as I have and using all lines available to the mangroves, has always been sufficient to keep my boats safe.
If a mangrove area is not available, I will set a spread of anchors forward, never using a stern anchor unless I am 100% certain the wind will not clock around on me, leaving me sitting on a stern anchor with all my bow anchors hanging uselessly under the boat. Generally, I've found it better to be able to swing when the 90 plus mph gusts slam into the side of the boat at anchor than not.
However, all of this and any other preparations you may do are a moot point if there are other boats around that are not as well secured as yours. This is the major danger today. Those once tried and true hurricane holes of old are no longer safe these days because of all those who use them without securing their vessels correctly.
This means the caring boat owner or operator must look farther afield for a secure place for their boat, than the closest hurricane hole. This may include a small creek, barely navigatable for your boat, or some other place the crowd will pass by. Even a bit more exposed hurricane anchorage may be better than a congested 'safe' one if you can properly secure your vessel.
smurphny likes this.

"Any idiot can make a boat go; it takes a sailor to stop one." Spike Africa aboard the schooner Wanderer in Sausalito, Ca. 1964.
“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.” ― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

facebook.com/svskippingstone
capta is online now  
post #83 of 93 Old 09-22-2018
Senior Member
 
asdf38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 860
Thanks: 1
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Marina destruction

I think this just speaks to the reality of the typical boat owner. Often they're far away, don't use their boats, don't know how to take care of their boats properly or don't care.


Separately I'm a little curious how so many sunk? Is it the rain and failing bilge pumps or is it docks bashing holes? Neither seems terribly likely to me for boats of this size.

Precision 18, Massachusetts
Former boat: Contessa 26
asdf38 is offline  
 
post #84 of 93 Old 09-22-2018
Senior Member
 
TakeFive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Swarthmore, PA
Posts: 4,965
Thanks: 24
Thanked 143 Times in 132 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Marina destruction

Quote:
Originally Posted by asdf38 View Post
I think this just speaks to the reality of the typical boat owner. Often they're far away, don't use their boats, don't know how to take care of their boats properly or don't care...
I posted a couple times defending the do-nothing boat owners who may have had other life-threatening issues to tend to. Since then I’ve been able to view some drone footage and other videos in New Bern. The VAST MAJORITY (maybe 95%) of boats I saw had all canvas stripped and other signs of significant storm prep. So this supposition that people don’t know or care may be nothing more than overly judgmental ranting.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
USCG Certified Captain, OUPV and 50 Ton Master
ASA Certified 101/103/104/105/106



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

2001 Catalina 34MkII Tall Rig Wing Keel Breakin' Away, Universal Diesel M35B, Mantus 35 lb. anchor, sailing out of Rock Hall Landing Marina

Last edited by TakeFive; 09-22-2018 at 09:15 PM.
TakeFive is offline  
post #85 of 93 Old 09-23-2018
deisher6
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 65
Thanks: 18
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: Marina destruction

I live in New Bern. We keep out PS 34 at Duck Creek Marina just on the other side of the Neuse River from the marina shown in the video. The Sunday before Florence I was visiting the harbormaster at Fairfield harbor as he was talking on the phone about places to haul boats. The gist of the conversation was that there was no space available from Jarrett Bay on the ICW to Oriental available. Duck creek began hauling boats that Sunday.

There is not enough local marina space to haul all the boats in the area.

We chose to keep our boat tied up at the dock. The marina is sheltered, with good pilings, and no trees nearby our slip. I stayed aboard Wednesday evening through Saturday noon tending lines tied to the pilings (not dock cleats). I never saw winds greater than 40 knots in gusts. There was plenty of 15-25 knots sustained wind. The storm surge was the problem. Our slip is normally 5-6 feet deep, at the maximum height of the surge it was 16 feet deep. The tallest pilings were a couple of feet below the surface.

Most of the boats hauled floated off their stands.

Driving back to our home Saturday noon my observations were:
The Grand Marina, located directly across the Trent River from the marina in the video, was half full and looked to be in pretty good shape. When we docked there included in the lease was a clause to move our boat during a hurricane. That may have changed with the sale of some of the slips.

There were a couple of boats on the Trent that had blown ashore and drug anchor into the bridges.

Around 14 boats were ashore on the west side of the Neuse between Queen Street and Jack's Creek. I later looked closely at the sailboats, they were all prepared for winds, sails, dodgers etc. all secure. None of them had any ground tackle showing... I suspect that they floated off their stands from a marina directly across the Neuse.

Our boat faired better than out home. It is the first time ever water reached out porch steps. Our home faired much better than most, no flood water entered the house. I had counted on power to keep the sump pump running in the small basement. A friend loaned us a generator and we pumped the ground water out the basement. (still pumping as I type this) We now have a generator for the next one.

I am good with a new water heater and a few rusty tools.

regards charlie
hpeer, chef2sail, svHyLyte and 1 others like this.
post #86 of 93 Old 09-23-2018
Senior Member
 
hpeer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Onboard
Posts: 1,248
Thanks: 15
Thanked 41 Times in 41 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Re: Marina destruction

Thanks for that update.

33' Brewer, Murray 33, steel cutter
44' Pape, Steelmaid, cc steel cutter
hpeer is online now  
post #87 of 93 Old 11-23-2018
Over Hill Sailing Club
 
smurphny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Adirondacks NY
Posts: 3,671
Thanks: 93
Thanked 111 Times in 108 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
Re: Marina destruction

We just transited the ICW from VA to FL, all the way through GA as well (which I usually do offshore). It's obvious that there is a lot of damage to docks, marinas, houses, and boats from the last couple of storms.

As regards anchoring for a storm, being away from other boats, in the lee of high ground/trees is my first consideration. But, it is also necessary to have the ground tackle aboard that you need. Large (50#+ for a 35-40' boat) second and third anchors take up a lot of room and many boats often do not even have an adequate primary hook. I have been on the boat in two big blows of tropical storm strength, not hurricanes. Both times a lot of damage happened to boats that stayed in among the crowd. Most of the damage was the result of tidal surge and boats drifting around because entire dock systems slipped their pilings. In a blow I will estimate the direction I think the wind will come from and carefully set two anchors at a 30-45 degree angle to the wind. The largest strain on an anchor system happens when the boat swings at anchor. There is tremendous stress when the boat turns from port to starboard and vice versa. That's why two anchors at an angle seem to work so well. It stops the swinging almost completely. It also allows for adjustment as wind direction changes.

Just a note: A couple of years ago, I was in quite an unexpected blow while at a mooring. The wind reached 60 knots at a local airport. I noticed that some of the newer designs of (very expensive) sailboats swung uncontrollably. It was actually very scary to watch how violently they were yanking back and forth. The people inside must have had a wild ride. I'd say that using two anchors to secure a craft like that would be an absolute necessity as I don't see any way one anchor would hold that kind of action.

Alberg 35: With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.
smurphny is offline  
post #88 of 93 Old 11-23-2018
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: NC
Posts: 50
Thanks: 2
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Marina destruction

old news, but the CG had/has "tagged" ~300+ boats in our New Bern area that were swamped, sunk, loose on the water, or ashore in someone's backyard or street....they worked the area diligently to identify the boats, notify owners, and remove environmental impact by pumping out fuel and removing batteries....still many out there some 2+ months after the event in need of attention.
rpludwig is online now  
post #89 of 93 Old 11-24-2018
Senior Member
 
SanderO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Northport, NY
Posts: 3,487
Thanks: 2
Thanked 94 Times in 94 Posts
Rep Power: 13
 
Re: Marina destruction

One boat which break free in an anchorage in a storm can damage multiple boats. And it's impossible to protect against this. You may get lucky and not get hit or have your anchor line ripped out and then blown to a lee shore or worse.

pay attention... someone's life depends on it
SanderO is offline  
post #90 of 93 Old 11-24-2018
HANUMAN
 
RobGallagher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Noank, Connecticut, USA
Posts: 2,712
Thanks: 25
Thanked 88 Times in 86 Posts
Rep Power: 19
 
Re: Marina destruction

What a *****torm this thread turned into.

Hope no one who left canvas on board was a first responder, Dr., nurse, lineman, red cross volunteer or even a cook in a hotel that had to get ready for feeding and housing hundreds or even thousands of folks who left for higher ground.

After all, that jib is more important than shuttering your house or helping out an elderly neighbor.

Everyone has a story.
chef2sail likes this.

WINDHOVER
1999 CATALINA 36 MKII
NOANK, CT
RobGallagher is online now  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ritchie Navigator spontaneous destruction? VallelyJ Gear & Maintenance 2 11-23-2013 12:09 AM
At sea. Clipper Round the World Race: New York Clipper’s appetite for destruction @ BYM Sailing News NewsReader News Feeds 0 04-20-2006 02:15 PM
Restless Adventures: Navy Marina to Navy Marina @ Sail Blogs NewsReader News Feeds 0 04-18-2006 06:15 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome