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This is no slouch cruisers boat but has completed the Round Britain and Ireland race and is one of those for charter race boats. It was heading from Antigua to the UK.




Stormforce director Doug Innes said: ''The yacht Cheeki Rafiki, a Beneteau First 40.7, was on passage from the Caribbean to the UK with a crew of four yachtsmen. On Thursday she started taking on water.
''We were in contact with the skipper and at the time the yacht and crew were keeping the situation stable.
''They had not been able to ascertain where the water ingress was from and were diverting to the Azores.
''Unfortunately we lost contact during the early hours of Friday morning and we believe it is possible the crew abandoned to the life raft.
''Search and Rescue authorities were mobilised and a mixture of Canadian and US aircraft along with merchant vessels searched throughout Friday and Saturday.
''Although the search efforts co-ordinated by Boston were exceptional we are devastated that the search has now been called off so soon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ter-yacht-capsized-in-middle-of-Atlantic.html


Heres the kind of thing Stormforce do
http://www.stormforce.biz/Products/160/Antigua-race-week.html#.U3jDI9q9KSM
 

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Wow. That sucks. It's really strange that they called off the search after only two days.

Maybe a keel problem?
 

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The ship found the boat inverted, so there must be photos.
I havent got the position but I've heard it was a long way north and east.
And the ship at the location was in 50 knots, 20 foot seas and didnt stop.
 

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Link didn't work.
 

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The ship found the boat inverted, so there must be photos.
I havent got the position but I've heard it was a long way north and east.
And the ship at the location was in 50 knots, 20 foot seas and didnt stop.
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From the BBC:

On Saturday, a cargo vessel which was helping with the search spotted and photographed an overturned hull which matched the description of the Cheeki Rafiki but reported no signs of people on board or a life raft.

The US Coastguard said the search area had involved approximately 4,146 square miles and it was "extremely disappointed" not to have found the sailors.

Winds at the start of the search were said to have been blowing at more than 50mph, the sea reached heights of up to 20ft and visibility was reduced to under a mile.​

The foregoing statement "overturned hull" would imply that the hull was absent a ballast keel as, if the keel were still in place, there is no way that a 40.7 would remain inverted, particularly in such a seaway. Considering how the boats are built, I have a hard time imagining how the keel could be entirely lost. Can you?

The crew might still be alive and floating around in a raft but, if there was a catastrophic inversion in such conditions, they very likely may not have been able to retrieve the raft and/or Abandon Ship kit bag, No?
 
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The ship found the boat inverted, so there must be photos.
I havent got the position but I've heard it was a long way north and east.
And the ship at the location was in 50 knots, 20 foot seas and didnt stop.
That appears to be wrong... Sounds like they remained on scene and continued to search, until Sunday evening:

We are very grateful to the M/V MAERSK KURE which volunteered to remain and continue the search on Sunday until such time as it was stood down in the evening.

Cheeki Rafiki Press Release - May 2014 | Stormforce Coaching | RYA, MCA & STCW Training, Charter & Racing For Sail, Power & Superyacht
Amazing that they located the wreck to begin with. Impossible to imagine any survivors inside, given this degree of immersion...


 

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The crew might still be alive and floating around in a raft but, if there was a catastrophic inversion in such conditions, they very likely may not have been able to retrieve the raft and/or Abandon Ship kit bag, No?
Yeah, I agree. Very serious situation.

Tony Bullimore was 4 days inverted in the southern ocean, see below.

Maybe have been where the leak was coming from... Then in a storm action should have been to drop the sails and motor.... But even with a leak from the keelbolts you wouldn't think the whole thing is gunna snap off.
With sails up inversion in 50 knots would have been instantaneous and have taken just a second or so. Anyone below would still be below.

Theres not much you could do, except as soon as you see the leak dump the sails and wait till better weather... Is there?


''They had not been able to ascertain where the water ingress was from and were diverting to the Azores.
Well, then, you're stuffed, because if the boat is leaking from anything else you want to get to shelter asap.




On 5 January 1997, in the Southern Ocean near 52°S 100°E, Bullimore's boat, Exide Challenger capsized and the majority of press and media reports assumed that the 55-year-old sailor was lost. The Royal Australian Navy launched a rescue mission for Bullimore and another capsized competitor, Thierry Dubois.

Bullimore was alive and managed to survive in an air pocket in the upside-down boat in pitch darkness, having lost his food supplies - his only food was a bar of chocolate. On 9 January, Thierry Dubois was rescued by an Australian S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopter embarked on the frigate HMAS Adelaide.

Adelaide then proceeded further south to where the Exide Challenger had been located by a RAAF P-3 Orion. Adelaide dispatched a rigid-hulled inflatable boat to the Exide Challenger where crew members knocked on the hull. Hearing the noise, Bullimore swam out from his boat and was quickly rescued by personnel from Adelaide. HMAS Adelaide then returned both Dubois and Bullimore to Perth.[1] During the return journey, Bullimore met with each member of the boat's crew to thank them for saving his life.
 

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Maybe I am wrong, but does the U.S. Coast Guard have an obligation to search and rescue 4 Britons missing nowhere near the United States?
 

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Maybe I am wrong, but does the U.S. Coast Guard have an obligation to search and rescue 4 Britons missing nowhere near the United States?
Yes, if they can. There's a moral imperative, too.

The Coast Guard has issued a statement on why they called off the search after 53 hours of looking, and has spoken with the families. There just wasn't a good outcome this time.
 

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That keel looks more like a toothpick!
 

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Isn't this deja vu all over again? Same general area, same boat manufacturer? Are these boats falling to pieces? I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the seaworthiness of this type construction.
 
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I understand the angst. But I'm not signing a petition like that. I trust the USCG to assess and understand the situation better than a petitioner.

God be with the families.
Sadly, I have to agree. The pro's know what they are doing. They would keep searching if there was a chance.
 

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I have been on races on the Long Island Sound with good size seas in which we were going fast enough to more or less catch air and land painfully HARD

It was hard on the crews body and harder on the mind as it is one of the few times i was really expecting something to break in a big way
 

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Sadly, I have to agree. The pro's know what they are doing. They would keep searching if there was a chance.
Mind you, you'd be a bit pissed off if they were taking photos of the upturned hull while you were in a liferaft on the other side of the ship :rolleyes:


This is unlike Nina, and the Malaysian plane where they searched for ages... And thry complained how quick the Nina search was.

But they probably looked at a couple of clear bits of evidence like the drifts of the two PLBs and the real position of the hull and realised the PLBs were not in a raft... Because if they were they would be together and still transmitting.

Swimmers would not have moved far from the boat.

Its sad. Very sad. But we have to learn from it.

And my lesson is to be a LONG way south of them. And leave MUCH later... In June.


300 nms south of the Azores looks nice to me.
 
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