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Can anyone talk me out of buying a brand spanking new catalina 36? Blister problems? Poor ventilation (now dorades)? How''s the quality of craftmanship? Is it really a solid, stable (stiff) but relatively fast boat? Has anyone seen any structural problem with the forward port-side tie-rod that nearly passes through the sink? etc. Thanks
 

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Paul-e Take the equivalent amount of money and buy a pre-owned Ericsson, Tartan, Sabre, Island Packet, Pacific Seacraft, Freedom. You''ll be much happier with the quality, sailing chacteristics and servicability. The new Catalinas have a lot of "at the dock" creature features but not great sailing abilities. Having worked on several newer Catalinas I can tell you they cut a lot of corners in the manufacturing process that one does not notice until its to late and you''ve written the check. And by all means don''t let a dealer talk you into a furling main sail or a wing ding keel, buyer beware. Thats my story and I''m sticking to it!
 

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The Catalina 36 is a true workhorse. We have used Catalina 31''s,32''s,36''s,38''s,40''s and 42''s in our Charter fleet. These boats are used almost constantly by casual sailors in a shoal water environment with very little service required. Many of our charter guests after sailing Catalinas purchase them.
I''ll ask denr one more time. Schaeffer furling, Garhauer ball bearing blocks, Seaward,Lewmar,Yanmar,Charleston spar,Jabsco,Harken,etc. Is there a problem with these companies or their products? It is a fact, check out your NADA, BUC Catalinas offer one of the best investments in regards to resale in the industry. The Catalina 36 is a very popular boat, and more imprtantly our customers love them. Denr I thought you were going to let me take you to the factory for an education. The offer still stands. paule forget the negative input and talk to some owners of these boats. I''d be glad to provide you with some referances. Denr I thought you were going sailing.
P.S. You can''t buy a good Pacific Seacraft,I.P. for the price of a Catalina 36
Denr we know your story, stick to it. A used Sabre 36 two years old 193k a brand new maxed out Catalina 36 132k. There is a lot of crising to be done 60k.THAT is the story...
 

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Your charter fleet experience does not mean beans. As I''ve said in the past Bill Clinton was a popular president but had the personal reputation of a bilge rat, what does popular mean in this context? No offense meant to bilge rats. Bottom line is...the euphoria of a low price is soon forgotten, the effects of poor quality remain forever. Lets plan that trip mid January, although that won''t change anything. Stuck to my story like 5200!
 

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Denr,sorry I thought we were talking about sailboats, not lunch or politics. Why doesn''t charter experience count?Why don''t you answer the questions posed? What kind of winches does your Sabre 34 have? What kind of hatches?Furler?Windlass?Stove?Electronics?
Probably the same as the thousands less Catalina? Just answer the $64,000 dollar question.
Is the 5200 really hard to remove from between your ears? Huh?
So you''ve worked on a few Catalinas you must be way ahead of the thousands of seasoned sailors who continue to sail and enjoy their boats.
Paul-e I''d be glad to send you a Mainsheet
Catalina owners magazine. Talk to some owners, is it an accident that Catalina has been in business for over 26 years.
Catalinas furling mains,by Charleston Spar, are a delight to use, and are one of the most popular options. Any idiot can muck it up if not properly operated, but as I said first time users and charter guests don''t seem to have a problem when properly informed.
As far as "wing-dings" sailors in this area would rather sail than spend the day aground.
It works for us.
Sometimes a little acetone will help with your 5200 problem,denr............
 

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If I read between the lines it is obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting Catalinas when you refer to "your charter fleet". Capitalism is a great thing, however
I don''t believe that you have the objectivity to offer an unbiased opinion about the subject boat that started this string. As you most likely know, a boat is made up of more than its individual parts, it is an integrated system of purchased parts as well as builder-manufactured components. So the point you make about brand names doesn''t hold water, pardon the pun. (The pardon comment was not politically motivated) Your argument about having never spent the whole day or for that matter part of the day aground with my 6-foot keel is as well without substance, my depth sounder works. Acetone does not remove 5200, this is a misstatement and I would be remiss if not making this point to those that might believe your comment. I do enjoy your spirited responses but they have fallen on informed but deft ears (eyes)! Does your tour offer still stand?
 

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Vested interest in the truth. It doesn''t sound as if you are being entirely objective . I''m only trying to present factual responses to your less than informed comments. I''m suggesting to anyone buying a boat to speak with owners about their experiences. It''s great that your depth sounder works, if you sailed around here you would find your 6''draft requirement prohibitive. You''d be on the bottom. Thats why "wing dings", get it? Have you ever owned a Catalina? Are they smoking you on Thursday nights? Why the attitude?
How can a boat builder stay in business for 26+ years by building a shoddy product? Are Catalina owners as stupid as you imply?
Think about it.
The factory tour offer still stands but as the King of Cliche'', you should know"you can lead a horse to water............
 

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Water....nut!
I think your idea about talking with owners is a good one...we agree. No I have never owned a Catalina and don''t ever plan to. You are however mistaken about the wing dings. These were first developed by the Americans cup fleet to skirt the racing rules, not as a solution to shallow water. Nigel Calder recently drew the comparison between today''s wing keels and the design of Bruce anchors. Once stuck on the bottom they really hold! Seriously I think the wing dings are a round-about solution to shallow waters but one does pay the price in sailing performance. No the Catalina''s do not smoke me on Thursday nights because I don''t race and if I did, it would be on Wednesday evenings but it was a good shot over the bow just the same! I normally sail competitively with the 40 Catalinas...fact. No, Catalina owners are not stupid, as a matter of fact my best sailing buddy owns a C30 and he is one of the smartest guys I know. I would say most Catalina owners are in denial. I don''t have an answer as to why a company has stayed in business for more than a quarter century, probably because there is a demand for the product...is that a point for you?
Perhaps you could arrange a comp charter for me in January in an attempt to persuade me to see your position. I accept!
 

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I believe the wing keel concept is from John Bertands design team. I never implied that this was a Catalina idea, in fact I think Hunter was one of the first production boat companies to implement this configuration.
I''ll ask Nigel, the next time he''s in town, just how much coastal shoal draft cruising he''s been doing lately. Most of my cruising has been offshore where draft is not a consideration. That''s great the more fin the better, the longer and deeper the better.
But then there''s the real world. On our coast the water depth drops about 1'' for every mile offshore. You couldn''t give a 6''draft boat away. If you want to sail around here it''s gotta be shoal draft. People around here like to sail. They buy shoal draft
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The good news is you don''t live around here and you don''t have to deal with wings. That''s great. Fact is there is something for everyone. If you don''t believe in comfort,safety,value,resale,easy handling,low maintenance and trendless design, then you are right. Don''t buy a Catalina. Hey,Denr, what do I know. I''m in denial.
I''ll be glad to take you sailing but It''ll be on a new Catalina. Don''t worry I won''t tell anyone.
 

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waternut:
I would also like to extend an open invitation to you when you''re in Chicago (April through October) for a sailboat ride, anytime, I''ll make myself available to you. What was the original question that capitulated this exchange?
 

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denr,
That sounds great. Sabre makes a really nice boat for your neck of the woods.If your boat runs with Catalina 40''s she''s pretty darn quick.(PHRF`112) This exchange started when paul-e asked about Catalina 36''s. Paul-e give me a buzz if you would like to contact other Catalina owners.
denr I don''t understand your confusion regarding Catalina yachts. Spirited debate should always be a healthy thing. I appreciate your input and look forward to our next chat.
 

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Denr, thanks for the warning of shoaling ground and rough seas if I purchase a new Catalina 36. Water-nut, I''d love to chat with Catalina 36 owners. Especially those who sail nearly every spring/summer/fall weekend and take a few week-long trips and who may have a tall-rig/wing keel combo. How can you put me in touch with them? Denr, I own a ''72 Tartan 34 that we love. We sail this, and our buddies Cape Dory 36, Pearson 35, Alden 44 and Sweden Yacht 37 (boat snob boats) in the lower Chesapeake. We''d like to have a bigger, newer boat, but couldn''t find a really nice used 1990''s vintage of any of those great boats you mentioned (and any one we did find was rather pricy). Thus, we thought we''d have fun looking at new boats. Started with Hallberg-Rassy (great exchange rate), Pacific Seacrafts (Crealock and Ericson) and Island Packet. All great boats, but I can''t yet sell the house! So, of the Catalina/Hunter/Beneteau/Bavaria group, we''ve almost settled on the Catalina 36 because it appears to be a solidly constructed, well-thought out (sea worthy?) boat. Anyhow, looks like I''ve got more investigating to do.
 

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Paul-e,
Ican provide you with a copy of the latest Mainsheet, the Catalina owners magazine as well as a number of owners who would be glad to discuss all things Catalina. I''m not quite sure how to exchange personal info on this site. I''m surprised that more owners haven''t responded to this exchange. Are there any owners out there? The next Catalina 36 will be hull #2006. In regards to your question about the port side fwd. lower chainplate tierod. Catalina usually laminates a heavy guage aluminum angle into the deck. On this model (36) the head arrangement precludes this backing method. They use a hvy guage aluminum clip with backing blocks. They are located very close to the structural bulk head just aft of the sink. I haven''t seen any fractures or failures on any 36''s. This is one of the few models still using a keel stepped spar(and a pretty robust spar it is) Once again I''d like to hear from some owners on this topic.
I''m glad to see that you''ve been looking at other manufacturers. It is possible to have a good sailing quality boat that is also a good value.
Standing by;
Waternut.....
 

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thanks for the info and encouragement. i''ll pick up a mainsheet at our local dealer. just talked to an owner of an early 80''s vintage catalina 36 who told me the boat has served him well. only complaint is that while running in rough seas, steering "goes out", as though the boat flexes just enough to put slack in the cable. this happens only briefly, but made for a very scary run. i understand this may be possible on a boat with large unsupported panels of glass. could this actually be a problem with catalina 36s? i suppose i need to go directly to the factory to see how the hull liner is "bedded" to the hull (fiberglass tape?, 5200?) and compare this to how, for example, the hull of a hallberg-rassy, island packet or bavaria is strengthened. i, too, am surprised that we''ve not had additional comments from catalina owners, or previous catalina owners that either loved or disliked their boat. looking forward to additional info. and thanks again for the help. (p.s., the placement of that forward port-side tie-rod still bothers me...i examined a mid-80''s southern cross 35. you should see the size of those ties rods. similar design but twice the diameter of the catalina tie rods, and looks like they are glassed to the hull).
 

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I told you they''re in denial. The three owners of new Catalinas I know all complain about the pan loosing it''s bond from the hull in a few places resulting in squeeky areas of the cabin sole. To solve this where access was possible, we epoxied a teak block of wood between the hull and the pan. It is sometimes like fixing a squeeky floor in your house, you solve the squeek in the original spot but move the squeek to another area. I''m trying to be constructive waternut, don''t start getting defensive.
 

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After reading all these threads I''d have to agree with DENR. The average sailor would be suprised by the shortcuts taken in the construction of some boats with fairly good reputations that you don''t see until you take the boat apart to repair something simple. In my experience, the most common finds are fiberglass tabing releasing where there should have been more substantial fiberglass attachment, and screws where there should have been bolts....
 

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Paul-e,
For more info regarding Catalina 36''s.A good source of info may be Mainsheets technical editor Bob Mc Cullough, he can be reached at 215-234-4491 or [email protected] .net
Bob specializes in C-36,s. Gerry Douglass the Catalina design engineer can be reaced at [email protected], (818)-884-7700.
If you need more info,let me know.
If you can''t reach them let me know.
I''ll be back from my "denial ''break in a few minutes.
 

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Thanks denr and h2onut. Separation of hull and "bonded" liner is the very kind of thing I''m worried about. I know that 95% of my sailing will be in kind weather. It''s that 5% when I must sail in nasty stuff to get home (I need that job) that I''m concerned about. My sailing friends (Cape Dory 36, Alden 44, Southern Cross 35) all say when we''re in the bad stuff, "this boat''s a better sailor than we''ll ever be". I need to feel that way about my next boat. Just got a reply from Cap''n Hugenot (Naval Architect, SF Bay area message board) about my conerns with catalina 36 hull integrity. He assured me that he has sailed many catalinas in the pacific with no problems, and had just delivered a catalina 36 from victoria to san fran. he referred me to david gerr''s new book "elements of boat strength". should be good reading. cap''n hugenot also mentioned that catalina''s long-term reputation is good. so, i''m still baffled. sqeaky sole in a relatively new boat sounds ugly. enjoying the exchange. thanks again.
 

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Check out sailboatowners.com. They are a website dedicated to Hunter, Catalina, Beneteau, C&C, O''Day, and MacGregor sailboats. There is a ton of information on this site.
 

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http://www.johnsboatstuff.com/default.htm
paul-e check this site out if you want a scientific aproach to finding a good safe seaworthy boat.
David
 
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