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I want to push myself to see how far I can endure to handle the boat solo within a relative safe environment of the bay. Just wonder if I can sail/motor from Annapolis to Deltaville without stopping within 24 hours.

It is the signs of the times that solo sailing is unavoidable; I need to start preparing it now.
 

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You didn't say what type of boat, if it's your Capri it might be a long sail. I think it is possible but certainly a long & lonely haul. Probably about 90 nm. With the right winds and a bigger boat it might be 12-15 hrs. One good aspect, is there are several bail out ports along the way if you decide you need to stop.
 

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Joe is right. The boat makes a big difference. I sailed 'LB', a Catalina Capri 22, from Mayo to Herrington Harbour North with another person and we were pretty tired.

I've done Annapolis to Little Creek in one shot single-handed on Auspicious. Entirely different deal on a 22,000# cruising sloop, especially with videos on the chartplotter to while away the hours.
 

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Sympathy on whatever "sign of the times" ...

Do you have an autopilot? If not, that's gonna be a long, long, trip.
 

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Ooop... forgot to mention. I will be sailing the Jeanneau 37 sloop with autopilot and chart plotter, but no radar. I have been day/nite sailing solo most of the time, but not such a long distance without stopping. Early this year it took me 2 days coming back from Deltaville to Annapolis by stopping Solomon Island.

IF the distance is only 90 nm round trip, it should be doable. With a better wind in Sept, I may able to sail a bit more. If the speed drops below 5, I will just start the motor. :) Since this is a timeshare boat, I must return to the dock 8:30 am and get her clean up by 9 am.

Our children have grown, They have their goals to fulfill. Wifey is not an outdoorsy type person. She will come along if I insist. But I found out being alone has its rewards. I ride alone, I camp alone, I sail alone and I have fun. In a few years, I should be ready to cross the pond. Wifey and children will fly to the other side of the ocean to meet me. I could only hope. :)
 

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Thanks Joe. I will do my homework on the paper chart and rethink my destination.

In this trip, I would be happy if I can practice

1. making approach to an unfamiliar harbor at dusk
2. doing a 5 to 6 hour nite sailing (not motoring)
3. a couple heaving to's when taking break.

Just learn to be self-sufficient without chaos. Both sails have furling, so it is easy to sail. I may turn off the chart plotter at nite and just use dead reckoning and paper chart. Bought a steiner with compass binoculars, eager to try it out at nite.

Thanks :)
 

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From Annapolis - consider Solomons as a mid-point destination. If you sail into the harbor which is very possible - I've done it a number of times - you will have logged about 44-nm. A loop around Moll's Leg Island in the harbor and the return to Annapolis should accomplish your objective.

Solomons is a good destination for a dusk or after dark approach. Its approach is well marked with flashing navaids and the water is relatively deep. I would though, recommend turning the chart-plotter back on for the Solomons approach, or study the charts to memorization if it has to be sans-technology.

Don't sail through the Cove Point LNG Restricted Area (nothing more tars you as a "tourist" in the lower mid-Bay) avoid the uncharted fish weirs off of Little Cove Pt. and be aware of "the flats" a well charted & marked shoal in the Patuxent R. on approach to Solomons. Monitor 13 for tug traffic which operates well outside of the shipping channel in the lower Bay.
 

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I second the Solomons midpoint destination. Another stop further south is Reedville. You can be off the bay in a decent anchorage in 45 min (about the same as Solomons.

I've done Annapolis to St. Mary's a number of times with a Gov Cup crew. It's 70 miles direct, so Deltaville will be about 30 more. Solo without a stop for sleep will be hard.

Try to pick a time immediately after a front moves through and you will have a wind pushing you south. Otherwise, the predominate southerly will slow you down. Stay in the shallows when the tide is foul and in deep water when it favors you. Bring some 5 Hour Energy stuff. It really works and doesn't drop you down.

Luck.
 

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Wayne, thanks for the heads up. Good advise and I am sure I will follow. I usually sail inside the shipping channel without taking short cut, especially at night and go from marker to marker and stay away BAB's (big ass boat). :)

1. Solo without a stop for sleep will be hard.

2. Try to pick a time immediately after a front moves through and you will have a wind pushing you south. Otherwise, the predominate southerly will slow you down.
3. Stay in the shallows when the tide is foul and in deep water when it favors you.
4.Bring some 5 Hour Energy stuff. It really works and doesn't drop you down.

Luck.
1. I should be OK. I used to do study and perform complicated procedures 36 to 48 hrs without sleep.

2. I hope I will have westerly wind on this Friday.

3. Good point, I will try it

4. Energy stuff is for the young people. It is not made for people from the old school and i will leave it at that :)

One more newbie question, how to read tides and current. I am thinking to download iPhone app before I head out. Do they have an app that bases on your GPS reading and tell you the approximate current and direction it flows?

TIA
 

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...One more newbie question, how to read tides and current. I am thinking to download iPhone app before I head out.
TIA
What cartography does your chart plotter use? C-Map and Garmin Blue Chart plotters include both tide and current stations/tables.

I use the Garmin and Ratheon/C-Map on my boat. I would be surprised if they are not at your finger tips already - depending of course on the particular cartography your plotter uses. Have a look at the user's manual.

The Garmin system lets you "Find" tides and current stations based on "nearest" to your current GPS position or pointing to a chart position. The C-Map system has you point an click on tide and current icons which can be displayed on the cartography.
 

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Have at it.
Tide Location Selection for Maryland

How long have you sailed non stop before? When will you sleep? I actually do my best to stay out of the channel at night unless the tide is very favorable. You plan on staying awake for 24 hours straight? I don't see the point, I know I start to shut down after 20-22 hours. I'm no good as crew at that point, and need to sleep. I've fallen asleep at the helm once while racing. I'd hate for you to do that and have no one w/ you to wake you up.
 

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What cartography does your chart plotter use? C-Map and Garmin Blue Chart plotters include both tide and current stations/tables.

I use the Garmin and Ratheon/C-Map on my boat. I would be surprised if they are not at your finger tips already - depending of course on the particular cartography your plotter uses. Have a look at the user's manual.

The Garmin system lets you "Find" tides and current stations based on "nearest" to your current GPS position or pointing to a chart position. The C-Map system has you point an click on tide and current icons which can be displayed on the cartography.
May be :eek:. The boat has C70 Raymarine. I hardly use it except for GPS and SOG reading. I will check the online manual.

I start to shut down after 20-22 hours. I'm no good as crew at that point, and need to sleep. I've fallen asleep at the helm once while racing. I'd hate for you to do that and have no one w/ you to wake you up.
I have to say it does not affect me at all without sleep for at least 36 hrs. If this is bad, I will find shelter. i need to find out what is my capability in sleep deprivation.
 

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Thanks for the link.

Just for academic exercise I use Thomas Point Shoal Light as example:
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Tides for Thomas Point Shoal Light starting with September 17, 2010.

Day High Tide Height Sunrise Moon Time % Moon
/Low Time Feet Sunset Visible

F 17 High 1:01 AM 1.5 6:49 AM Set 1:19 AM 66
17 Low 8:02 AM 0.7 7:11 PM Rise 4:12 PM
17 High 12:47 PM 1.1
17 Low 6:48 PM 0.4

Sa 18 High 1:59 AM 1.5 6:50 AM Set 2:19 AM 75
18 Low 8:48 AM 0.6 7:09 PM Rise 4:44 PM
18 High 1:48 PM 1.1
18 Low 7:52 PM 0.4
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From this table, how do I know when is the ebb or slack and more importantly what will be the current and direction of flow. In some spots, the direction of the current is easy to guess, but not always.

How do you folks use this table to the max?
 

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That is a tide table and of little or no use for currents. You will need to look at current tables which will be available from the Navionics cartography that your Raymarine C70 chart-plotter uses.

I can see that you are proud of that string of ASA courses, but are you sure that you are ready for this? Would you be willing to let the rest of us know the date and time so we can stay off the BAY during the marathon?
 

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Ha Wayne too funny.....you must be reading my mind...
 

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Wayne is correct - is you have a detail chip for your C70 you have tide AND current information at your fingertips. Look for the 'T' and 'C' (why do I feel like I'm back in contract negotiation? *grin*) in a diamond on the chart for tide and current stations respectively.

You can get more detail from NOAA. See Tidal Current Tables . I cut and paste to a document and print before heading out but have also looked up data on my iPhone using Safari.

Charts and Tides from Navimatics (not Navionics - different company) also has tide and current information that pulls your current position from the GPS and also has the entire off-line ActiveCaptain database. Works well. I think it's $20. It is one of only a couple of apps I have paid for on my phone and I think worth the money.
 

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Ha Wayne too funny.....you must be reading my mind...
Hey, Almighty Captains, there is no need to laugh.

If I had a big yacht like all of you, I would have something to list in my signature. But I don’t. I listed my ASA courses there so everyone knows I am a student in learning. I am not ashamed of it. If this bothers you, I can take the listing down. Just PM me. There is no need to look down on another fellow sailor.

I have been sailing mostly solo this past season, I feel very comfortable even with 19 knot and gust to 25. There is not a single time that I endangered myself, my passengers (I don’t even referred them as crews) or the boat. I may NOT have the most elegant way to sail or get into the slip, but I get it done without harming to anyone.

Hey...... I will be sailing out at Annapolis Landing Marina on this Friday and heading south. I don’t believe you need to stay away; there are plenty of room for all of us. But you are welcome to watch or even videotape. Who knows, it could be very entertaining.

In the 70’s, the big three were laughing at Honda with their cars. Who is laughing now. Don’t underestimate those who are intelligent, educated, determined and hard working. It is just a matter of time. ;)
 

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Wayne is correct - is you have a detail chip for your C70 you have tide AND current information at your fingertips. Look for the 'T' and 'C' (why do I feel like I'm back in contract negotiation? *grin*) in a diamond on the chart for tide and current stations respectively.

You can get more detail from NOAA. See Tidal Current Tables . I cut and paste to a document and print before heading out but have also looked up data on my iPhone using Safari.

Charts and Tides from Navimatics (not Navionics - different company) also has tide and current information that pulls your current position from the GPS and also has the entire off-line ActiveCaptain database. Works well. I think it's $20. It is one of only a couple of apps I have paid for on my phone and I think worth the money.
Thanks. I will check out the Chartplotter again. Because it is not my boat, I did not want messing it around and alter the setting and create problems for other users.

I just download the iPhone app AyeTides. It looks very nice, and easy to understand and use.


 

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If you're really concerned about falling asleep (as you should be) consider a kitchen timer, set it to go off every 10 min and it will wake you if you nod off. BTW, in a pinch, a couple of those 10-minute mini-catnaps can be quite refreshing at 3 AM ;)
 
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