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A beneteau is like a Toyota, the Jenneau is like a lexus. Same company just the jenneau is a little bit better put together.
Keep in mind that even though they are both owned by Beneteau, Jenneau, is still a separate company and use there own designs. They look similiar but the details are different.
The major difference that i noticed is how the inner grid system is attached in each. They do collarborate amongst the Beneteau Group.
The beneteau's grid is one large piece with no access below the grid.
The Jeanneau's grid is actually cut out between the stringer's. Possibly this may afford better access to the hull.
I'm not sure that plays any part in the strength of either.
Beneteau is a VERY large company and they have the ability to do a lot of in house research and can buy in bulk unlike other smaller manufactures. Believe it or not Beneteau builds houses too!
They are the largest sailboat company in the world and possibly the oldest continuous operating sailboat company as well.
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Keep in mind that even though they are both owned by Beneteau, Jenneau, is still a separate company and use there own designs. They look similiar but the details are different.
The major difference that i noticed is how the inner grid system is attached in each. They do collarborate amongst the Beneteau Group.
The beneteau's grid is one large piece with no access below the grid.
The Jeanneau's grid is actually cut out between the stringer's. Possibly this may afford better access to the hull.
I'm not sure that plays any part in the strength of either.
Beneteau is a VERY large company and they have the ability to do a lot of in house research and can buy in bulk unlike other smaller manufactures. Believe it or not Beneteau builds houses too!
They are the largest sailboat company in the world and possibly the oldest continuous operating sailboat company as well.
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The Oceanis 37 is a boat that was already substituted by the 38, a better boat in several aspects including sailing (same designer), The Jeanneau 379 is a more recent boat and it is the current 37ft offer from Jeanneau. That is what is responsible for that price difference and I would say that the difference for a boat that has been discontinued and substituted is very small. the boat that substituted the Oceanis 37, the 38, won this year's competition for the family European boat of the year.
If you insist probably will probably get a better price on the Oceanis 37 and a bigger perceptual difference regarding the Jeanneau price. Can be a good deal if you get a nice price since it is a good boat.
The jeanneau is also a good boat but those hulls are different being the one from the Oceanis more beamy (3,92 m to 3.76) and more based on solo ocean racers than the one from the 379. Both boats sail well but not in the same way (the Oceanis with less heel).
If the difference of price is only 10 or 15% test sail both boats and keep the one you like more. That difference in price will be easily recovered when you sell the boat because they are boats from different generations and the used value of the Jeanneau will be bigger.
If you insist probably will probably get a better price on the Oceanis 37 and a bigger perceptual difference regarding the Jeanneau price. Can be a good deal if you get a nice price since it is a good boat.
The jeanneau is also a good boat but those hulls are different being the one from the Oceanis more beamy (3,92 m to 3.76) and more based on solo ocean racers than the one from the 379. Both boats sail well but not in the same way (the Oceanis with less heel).
If the difference of price is only 10 or 15% test sail both boats and keep the one you like more. That difference in price will be easily recovered when you sell the boat because they are boats from different generations and the used value of the Jeanneau will be bigger.
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Thanks Paulo, waiting for you to jump in. That's a good review.
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here we go...
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I have a Oceanis 45, built in the States. I really like the 469 (built in France?) but availability and negotiating power was much less. I am more critical of the build locations and those folks managing the builds. I'm not entirely impressed with the folks in Marion. Experience is key. Even in production boats there are differences between hulls 1, 50, and 100. How fast those differences occur is important, and how much actually needs to be changed.
As for the Toyota versus Lexus? I was an Engineer with Toyota. They are built in the same plants, sometimes on the same platform. The differences are in the finish. Better paint job, nicer leather, more features, real wood, more soft plastic surfaces, blah blah blah. The key was standardized work and consistency of build, for both, resulting in fewer defects. There is Quality and there is Quality. You can take a piece of exotic wood( higher quality??) or plastic, and screw them both up manufacturing (poor quality). I'd love to have the ear of a Beneteau exec.
As for the Toyota versus Lexus? I was an Engineer with Toyota. They are built in the same plants, sometimes on the same platform. The differences are in the finish. Better paint job, nicer leather, more features, real wood, more soft plastic surfaces, blah blah blah. The key was standardized work and consistency of build, for both, resulting in fewer defects. There is Quality and there is Quality. You can take a piece of exotic wood( higher quality??) or plastic, and screw them both up manufacturing (poor quality). I'd love to have the ear of a Beneteau exec.
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Both of these models are built in the US, AT the SAME plant in NC I believe. So more like a chevy truck vs a gmc, both in the same plant. Probably like the Toyota Lexus differences too.
Jeanneau's "GENERALLY SPEAKING" have a few more goodies aboard from the factory, seem to be size for size a bit faster, excepting for the first series, which is faster yet, or the sun fast from Jeanneau. Both of those models are different birds against ea other also. The First series is probably the nicer interior by a bunch actually.
Jeanneau has a LARGE owners forum group, not sure about Beneteau. Along with at least in puget sound, there are two owner roundezvous's a year. IIRC 2 to possibly 3 on the east coast, and one on lk michigan.
Yes I am a bit biased!
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Jeanneau's "GENERALLY SPEAKING" have a few more goodies aboard from the factory, seem to be size for size a bit faster, excepting for the first series, which is faster yet, or the sun fast from Jeanneau. Both of those models are different birds against ea other also. The First series is probably the nicer interior by a bunch actually.
Jeanneau has a LARGE owners forum group, not sure about Beneteau. Along with at least in puget sound, there are two owner roundezvous's a year. IIRC 2 to possibly 3 on the east coast, and one on lk michigan.
Yes I am a bit biased!
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Also now that I have wondered around playing a bit here. The Jeanneau has a performance pkg, which has tri radial sails, spin rigging, and 2nd cabin top winch, folding prop among the items in this pkg. WELL WORTH getting. Now that I am typing, I believe you also get line control jib carrs, and a slightly larger LP GENOA too. There is a link at the jeanneau.com site with a pdf showing the different options available.
I personally like the floorplan of the new 349 over the 370/409 boats personally. I believe the Beneateau might have a seperate shower/head area vs an ALL in one on the two larger Jeanneaus.
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I personally like the floorplan of the new 349 over the 370/409 boats personally. I believe the Beneateau might have a seperate shower/head area vs an ALL in one on the two larger Jeanneaus.
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You mean that Beneteaus and Jeanneaus are built in the US at the same plant?
That makes sense since they belong to the same group but looking by an European perspective where they are not only competitors but have different manufacture processes and plants, it seems a bit odd.
Back on cars I remember that most Toyotas that we could have were made in a plant in Spain and only some very few models come directly from Japan. Those had a lot better reputation in what regards quality and lack of manufacture defects.
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STM,
I do not have any experience with the Beneteau 37, but I can tell you that we love our 379. I did not want a shoal keel boat for performance reasons, but we sail in the Great Lakes, and many of the harbors have very thin water these days. The key feauture that sold us on the Jeanneau were the twin rudders on the shoal draft model. The boat tracks beautifully upwind and is easy to balance. Other features that we love about the boat are the twin wheels, the German mainsheet system, and the primary winches within easy reach of the helm. I can control both main and genoa easily from the helm. In lighter air, I am very comfortable flying spinnaker single handed. As the breeze builds, I steer and grind the winch while my wife tails the spin sheet from the high side. If you plan to race often with a full crew, you would want a second set of primary winches. We have the two stateroom layout with the storage "garage" aft of the head. Love this layout as well. This boat has been perfect for our family of four + sailing dog.
I would be happy to answer any specific questions you have. Good luck with your search!
I do not have any experience with the Beneteau 37, but I can tell you that we love our 379. I did not want a shoal keel boat for performance reasons, but we sail in the Great Lakes, and many of the harbors have very thin water these days. The key feauture that sold us on the Jeanneau were the twin rudders on the shoal draft model. The boat tracks beautifully upwind and is easy to balance. Other features that we love about the boat are the twin wheels, the German mainsheet system, and the primary winches within easy reach of the helm. I can control both main and genoa easily from the helm. In lighter air, I am very comfortable flying spinnaker single handed. As the breeze builds, I steer and grind the winch while my wife tails the spin sheet from the high side. If you plan to race often with a full crew, you would want a second set of primary winches. We have the two stateroom layout with the storage "garage" aft of the head. Love this layout as well. This boat has been perfect for our family of four + sailing dog.
I would be happy to answer any specific questions you have. Good luck with your search!
thanks for all the replys. The new Beneteau 37, Platinum package which includes everything including a spinnaker/sock is about 200k. The Jeaneau 379 similarly equipt is more like 225 or more. Having a hard time justifying the difference. Not to mention I set a budget ceiling of 200.
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Get the one you like better and/or can afford. However, I personally think you get what you pay for between the two.
That said, I'm not a big fan of all the "manufactured teak" that they both have used since about 2008 or 2009. It is sold as the only way they could build so many boats and remain environmentally conscious, as many teak forests were being devastated. However, I'm convinced they did so to save money, keep prices down and keep their product more cost effective during the global recession. Smart business move, I just don't want one. We love our '04.
That said, I'm not a big fan of all the "manufactured teak" that they both have used since about 2008 or 2009. It is sold as the only way they could build so many boats and remain environmentally conscious, as many teak forests were being devastated. However, I'm convinced they did so to save money, keep prices down and keep their product more cost effective during the global recession. Smart business move, I just don't want one. We love our '04.
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Fully agree with all the crap veneers they're using now. Even my sole is a veneered vinyl product. Cheapens the look.
Catalina is still able to use teak, but they're shifting too for their lower end models. I guess the cost factor is inevitable. Cant believe a 34 foot boat is now over $200k!
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The newest stuff isn't even veneer. Quality veneer can be beautiful, if made well, as the outer layer is real wood and real grain. Some of the highest quality furniture is actually veneer these days. It usually falls short if the veneer is thin or done in mismatched narrow strips.
This new stuff is just high tech particle board, made from teak dust and the grain is actually painted on. Yes, painted. You should have seen the sales guy look me in the eye and say this is a great advantage. They can now entirely replicate any piece aboard for repair. Felt like he would have been equally proud to be able to clone a human.
I'm sorry to be dumping on boats with this interior, I suspect there are some that like it. Certainly, it doesn't take away from sailing characteristics or make it a bad boat. Everyone I know that has sailed the newest Js and Bs, has loved them. The aesthetics just aren't for me. No doubt there is a Hinckley owner out there that finds the modestly contemporary teak in my boat to be undesirable.
This new stuff is just high tech particle board, made from teak dust and the grain is actually painted on. Yes, painted. You should have seen the sales guy look me in the eye and say this is a great advantage. They can now entirely replicate any piece aboard for repair. Felt like he would have been equally proud to be able to clone a human.
I'm sorry to be dumping on boats with this interior, I suspect there are some that like it. Certainly, it doesn't take away from sailing characteristics or make it a bad boat. Everyone I know that has sailed the newest Js and Bs, has loved them. The aesthetics just aren't for me. No doubt there is a Hinckley owner out there that finds the modestly contemporary teak in my boat to be undesirable.
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Paulo,
yes they are making in the same plant. similar to Hanse and Dehler are now being made int he same plant as I understand in Germany. Probably because Jeanneau was looing for a place to build here, to make them more cost effective, ie not having to add 10-20K US$ for across the pond shipping on the smaller models.....along with the depression here, keep GOOD employee's working on both models etc.
I would also agree, that buy the one you can afford, or prefer overall. BOTH will be good boats. I also believe you do get a bit more with the Jeanneau vs the Beneteau, along with a better slightly faster sailing boat. You are dealing with a Toyota lexus, chevy/ Cadillac, Ford/Lincoln type of marketing to a degree.
I also like my mid 80's interior granted plywood veneer boat over the new faux teak look, but understand the why some manufactures are doing this, along with iron vs lead keels as another option etc.
Marty
yes they are making in the same plant. similar to Hanse and Dehler are now being made int he same plant as I understand in Germany. Probably because Jeanneau was looing for a place to build here, to make them more cost effective, ie not having to add 10-20K US$ for across the pond shipping on the smaller models.....along with the depression here, keep GOOD employee's working on both models etc.
I would also agree, that buy the one you can afford, or prefer overall. BOTH will be good boats. I also believe you do get a bit more with the Jeanneau vs the Beneteau, along with a better slightly faster sailing boat. You are dealing with a Toyota lexus, chevy/ Cadillac, Ford/Lincoln type of marketing to a degree.
I also like my mid 80's interior granted plywood veneer boat over the new faux teak look, but understand the why some manufactures are doing this, along with iron vs lead keels as another option etc.
Marty
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I've wondered about that kind of construction.
How do you clean under there?
It seems like some pretty nasty scum would accumulate eventually.
How do you run new wire and hoses?
Are you allowed to cut access holes or will that weaken it too much?
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For some reason, only Neptune knows, this occurs solely on powerboats.
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You are right, of course. Jeanneau is so big that sometimes we forget that is owned by Beneteau
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