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Saw these on Sydney Harbour recently - any ideas as to what they are?







Thought the first one might've been a Baltic 42 but I don't think so...
 

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The second one, blue sail cover, has the look of a Van de Stadt. It seems to be too long for the Samoa 47 or Tasman 48. It may be the Tonga 56, but the little bow sprit detail is similar to that found on the 47. All are custom-built using stock plans and so are subject to modifications. The boat in the photo has a "dodger" that doesn't match the designer plans for any of the VdS boats, but neither does the dodger on mine (the Samoa 47 below).
 

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If the first one is a Baltic it's an older one... most of the Baltics I've seen have somewhat sleeker lines. If it's a tumblehome hull it may be an older Alden if indeed it's a North American design.

The second looks to me like a Chuck Paine design, probably Able Marine or Morris built if not locally custom built. Another outside possibility is the BC built Cooper 501 but if so that's a particularly nice looking example...

The third is clearly a purpose built racer, in all likelihood locally designed and built.. it's not as if you Aussies don't know how to draw and build quick boats!
 

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The second one, blue sail cover, has the look of a Van de Stadt. It seems to be too long for the Samoa 47 or Tasman 48. It may be the Tonga 56, but the little bow sprit detail is similar to that found on the 47. All are custom-built using stock plans and so are subject to modifications. The boat in the photo has a "dodger" that doesn't match the designer plans for any of the VdS boats, but neither does the dodger on mine (the Samoa 47 below).
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She's 48'. I got the name and checked the Oz registry. I'll have a look at the VDS website bit somehow I don't think so.

That's a nice one you posted. Lovely looking boat. You should be proud , as I'm sure you are.
 

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If the first one is a Baltic it's an older one... most of the Baltics I've seen have somewhat sleeker lines. If it's a tumblehome hull it may be an older Alden if indeed it's a North American design.

The second looks to me like a Chuck Paine design, probably Able Marine or Morris built if not locally custom built. Another outside possibility is the BC built Cooper 501 but if so that's a particularly nice looking example...

The third is clearly a purpose built racer, in all likelihood locally designed and built.. it's not as if you Aussies don't know how to draw and build quick boats!
Almost totally convinced she is not a Baltic. It was my first guess but no. I cannot find a single Baltic that fits the bill.

Unfortunately we didn't get to speak with the crew but I did detect a North American accent which could of course mean US or Canada. Her registry said NV........

Has that quite distinct twin cockpit layout which is what first made me think Baltic.
 

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That's a nice one you posted. Lovely looking boat. You should be proud , as I'm sure you are.
Thanks -- I'll tell the owner you like her (she's fixing dinner at the moment). :)

FYI, BR was built in steel in Western Australia in 1993-94 and was originally in the Aussie registry as "Belle". She is hull #21 according to my VdS "certificate of authenticity". There seem to be a number of Samoas in Oz, some built in AL and others in wood composite, and quite a few in Europe. There aren't many in the US -- Beth Leonard and Evan Starzinger (sp?), who write frequently for Cruising World, have one of the better known Samoa 47s, Hawk. I think there are probably 50-60 in service worldwide today. IMHO, it's pretty hard to find a better offshore cruising design anywhere.
 

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Thanks -- I'll tell the owner you like her (she's fixing dinner at the moment). :)

FYI, BR was built in steel in Western Australia in 1993-94 and was originally in the Aussie registry as "Belle". She is hull #21 according to my VdS "certificate of authenticity". There seem to be a number of Samoas in Oz, some built in AL and others in wood composite, and quite a few in Europe. There aren't many in the US -- Beth Leonard and Evan Starzinger (sp?), who write frequently for Cruising World, have one of the better known Samoa 47s, Hawk. I think there are probably 50-60 in service worldwide today. IMHO, it's pretty hard to find a better offshore cruising design anywhere.
VDS has always seemed to have following in Oz. Generally speaking great boats. Ours may be a tadge small but we love her for what she is.

We've often thought that if we came across a larger version of her we'd be hard pressed not to make the leap. Unfortunately the only ones I seen have quite poor owner built interiors.

For an older 34'er Raven has a lovely interior and it's hard to settle on anything less.

ps - the deck saloon turns out to be a Jarkan 48 DS. Oz design, semi production. Only one for sale is asking $700,000. Ouch !

edit pps - the vds madeira 44....comes close to my ideal
 

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Andrew..last one is a Brenta 42, the 2 first ones are..ugly OLD SHOES!!.
Spot on Alex.....about the Brenta anyway. Bit of a chick magnet, you'd have to think. Even I could probably get laid if I had one of them. I was quite taken by it when it went by. Quite a smooth piece of kit.

Now I have checked out the website. Is this boat porn or is this boat porn?

B-YACHTS

Have a look at the 60. Hell, for that matter check out the 38DDs. :eek:
 

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hmm, the 60 is very pretty but common where would you put the BBQ?

Common ????? Sir, you are a churl. Whatever one might say or think about Sr Brenta's boats, common they are not.

ps - see the trouble a simple typo can get you into ?

Anyway.....see the side rails. We can hang something sleek and sexy on one of them and stow it in the lazarette. Not even CD would stoop to leaving a BBQ out permanently on that honey.
 

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Dude, I've got orthopedic shoes that look better than that....and leg braces...and crutches.....sail Forrest SAIL!

That's all I've got to say about that.
 

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Alex,
Close but no cigar. Bit similar to the Empacher but its not.

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You're mumbling son. Speak up. Enunciate. To be blunt about it...WTF are you talking about ?
 

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Thanks -- I'll tell the owner you like her (she's fixing dinner at the moment). :)

FYI, BR was built in steel in Western Australia in 1993-94 and was originally in the Aussie registry as "Belle". She is hull #21 according to my VdS "certificate of authenticity". There seem to be a number of Samoas in Oz, some built in AL and others in wood composite, and quite a few in Europe. There aren't many in the US -- Beth Leonard and Evan Starzinger (sp?), who write frequently for Cruising World, have one of the better known Samoa 47s, Hawk. I think there are probably 50-60 in service worldwide today. IMHO, it's pretty hard to find a better offshore cruising design anywhere.
Samoa 47s were too rare, expensive and a little big for my "wish list" prior to us getting a custom steel 41" pilothouse in '06, but my "wish list" had your boat type, Shearwater 45s Shearwater 45 classic cruiser and a Kanter Atlantic 45.

All were five feet too much boat for a five-foot tall wife to handle on a night watch, I concluded.
 

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I think the reaaly ugly one in the middle is a empacher 48 or 46 or whatever they were. Steel heavy ugly Old Shoe
:mad: OK, I ignored it yesterday. But calling my boat an "old shoe" twice is too much. :mad:

It's not an "empacher" (what ever the hell that is)....it's a Van de Stadt, a well-designed Dutch boat. They'll go anywhere, do anything and when built in steel they'll bounce off things that would sink that cheap chunk of plastic you call a boat. Only fault is that the original design it's styled for poofy European yachtsmen -- you know, the kind of guys who are into sleek lines, shiny gelcoat, dual helms and like to post videos showing how fast they sail!

So there! Go back to your Bite Fight and chew on that for a while! :laugher
 
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