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Given when traveling by boat or other means pickpockets and other untoward events occur. Regardless if you’re climbing off a mega yacht or old boat unless you’re surrounded by security personnel you’d be wise to dress down, wear no jewelry, not flash your money and in all ways be subdued.
Taking crap from keeping up with the Jones types is a small price to pay when you know you are living the life they can only dream about. I’ve seen this low key attitude in Boston Brahmins dressed in frayed rags who could “buy this town and put it in my shoe” as Jimi Hendrix said and farmers in their dirt encrusted overalls who could buy the city. Question is whether your choices are for you or how you’re seen in the eyes of others.
 

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I’ll bet the old lady has been victimized by much worse and was overreacting. Many cruisers take advantage. My biggest peeve are those that pull the lid off park receptacles, designed to capture drinking cups and picnic plates, in order to jam two full garbage bags inside and then balance the lid atop that no longer fits. That’s low class.
This issue goes past boating and marinas.

Near my home is a Kmart and sometimes RVers will park and camp overnight there. One of the stores I frequent in this mall has a sign on the garbage can outside the store that says "small items only." My guess is they are sick of campers leaving large bags of garbage outside the trash for them to deal with.
 

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So, am I to understand that most of the folks here actually would eat in a restaurant that serves commercially packaged ketchup? As opposed to fresh stuff they make on their own premises? Really now, have standards around here gotten so low?

I had been told, perhaps incorrectly, that Germany addressed the issue of excess packaging years ago, requiring stores to accept for recycling, whatever they were selling. So toothpaste tubes sold in cellowrapped cardboard boxes? Yes, you can leave all that at the store, just take the tube. I'm not sure that I see much of the trash "issue" though. Just spread it out knee-deep, hope it never decays, and sooner or later you can raise the ground level to mitigate the effects of global warming.
 

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Cockroaches are an issue throughout the Caribbean. All non critical wrapping is taken off before the article goes on the boat. Especially cardboard (roach and other insect eggs) and plastic (won’t throw it in the ocean).
Have a spray can of Bop and boric acid. Rarely need to use them.
 

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We remove as much packaging as possible when we make a purchase and leave it at the store.

I think often consumers think of moving the trash to the next stop.

That is to say, you buy your Groceries in one store and leave your trash where you buy your next bit of groceries


I wonder where the woman thought the garbage should go from her store??

 

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Let's say you live across from a popular dinghy dock and many cruisers use it to go to town. I'll bet, if a cruiser saw you in your driveway and asked you for a favor to dispose of a single bag of trash, in the can you pay to have picked up each week, you'd agree to help out. This thread is about that same cruiser sneaking up your driveway and putting their garbage into your pail, without asking first.
 

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Such conflicts are simply prevented by the service being provided to boaters by the government. If some mechanism can provide for some level of "fair" user-pays, great, but if not, should not mean government creating such issues by just abandoning its responsibilities.
 

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Let's say you live across from a popular dinghy dock and many cruisers use it to go to town. I'll bet, if a cruiser saw you in your driveway and asked you for a favor to dispose of a single bag of trash, in the can you pay to have picked up each week, you'd agree to help out. This thread is about that same cruiser sneaking up your driveway and putting their garbage into your pail, without asking first.
Trash containers are not minded. People use them because they are there to place trash in. Sure a property owners and business PAY (usually) for trash to be collected and provide the appropriate container for it. Of course you would be pissed off if your container was filled up (and you end up paying for its removal).

So in Newport there IS a dumpster at the dinghy dock by the sailing center at the Armory. We use it. I believe there is one often at Kings Park pier... and we'll use that one too. There is also one or more over at Fort Adams. We put a grocery bag full because we don't store much rubbish aboard... at most to grocery bags.

Authorities should provide the service. I caught a woman.. who likely doesn't have a carting service leave a bunch of huge rubbish bags on the sidewalk next to a city trash can. Pretty creepy.

Hold your trash until you can dispose it properly.
 

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Let's say you live across from a popular dinghy dock and many cruisers use it to go to town. I'll bet, if a cruiser saw you in your driveway and asked you for a favor to dispose of a single bag of trash, in the can you pay to have picked up each week, you'd agree to help out. This thread is about that same cruiser sneaking up your driveway and putting their garbage into your pail, without asking first.
No it's not.

It's about putting a bag of trash into the trash can in front of the Publix's grocery store and some other shopper giving you the stink eye.

BTW - based on the average amount of money I spend at the Publix each time I've stopped and the average number of cruising boats there. If each are spending what I am then the cruisers are spending over $300k/yr at that store.
 

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The mafia ran the garbage business for quite a few years. Not real interested in turning it over to the most inefficient gang of gangsters, the government, unless absolutely necessary. At least like Mussolini the mafia made the trains run on time so to speak.
Interested in pressing business to use less plastic in packaging and less packaging altogether.
I get a fair amount of stuff through the internet. It’s amazing how much wasteful packaging it comes in.
 

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..... If each are spending what I am then the cruisers are spending over $300k/yr at that store.
Are you claiming you're entitled to use whatever you want of theirs? You got that look because you were doing something you did not have permission to do, but may have received permission, if you had asked.
 

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Such conflicts are simply prevented by the service being provided to boaters by the government......
I'd say that most places I've been, have a trash container for the boaters. Some, such as Cuttyhunk, requires a $5 per bag fee paid on the honor system. I'm guessing the tone of this thread would suggest a dump and dash was entitled, because one bought some ice cream and a lobster on the island.

I've been to marinas and town docks that have explicitly stated there is no trash facilities. Therefore, I either find some permission ashore somewhere, or I store it to the next anchorage. Pretty simple.

Often, it's clear (small island) that trash removal is a real problem for them and they can't handle the added load. I highly suspect, in other cases, our cruising brethren have ruined it for the rest of us.

p.s. The government can't pay for anything whatsoever, they don't make any money. The rest of us pay for whatever they provide. There are good reasons for doing so, but I'll bet those that live ashore aren't so interested in underwriting our cost of trash removal.
 

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Although a lot of packaging is paper... it still is often burned. And if so that's not a great idea. Would be smart if packaging could be recycled.
 

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If technology could be developed to virtually eliminate toxic emissions from burning waste, I think it could be a very good solution. It is essentially recycling in the form of using waste to create energy. Some plants make heat, others make electricity (essentially from heat). Based on our ability to create waste, it's practically indefinitely sustainable. :)

The present problem with trying to recycle waste back into consumer products is the math doesn't work and/or we don't have the need for as much source material. Now that China won't take it, we're all backed up.

I say invent a way to capture the emissions and burn it all.
 

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Although a lot of packaging is paper... it still is often burned. And if so that's not a great idea. Would be smart if packaging could be recycled.
Too bad it's impractical to fit an incinerator on a small boat like they have on ships. Perhaps a wood burning stove in the salon could serve double duty for burning paper, wood, etc.
 

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Are you claiming you're entitled to use whatever you want of theirs? You got that look because you were doing something you did not have permission to do, but may have received permission, if you had asked.
Man the ladder you must be using to get on your horse must be tall. Try for once to get a grip!

I got "that look" because the old lady shopper that gave it to me probably thinks everyone not driving a BMW is scum.
 
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