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whoa.....

The original post.. I saw this was active and before looking at it I thought... 'you know that woman who was snotty... who was she? was she the owner of the store, was she just a customer....? heck was she had anything to do with anything ---> that is we all know people who want to be xxx police, be it the unofficial town police or unofficial internet police'

Which to say it is still a funny story regardless, but maybe not much stock should be put into what some random person or just one person deciding who is the scum.

Add to it who knows what is going on with that person, like did her son just drown and no boat scum save him... maybe she didn't know you were a sailboat guy and thought you were a power boat guy (the real boat scum--- j/k)

I have to wonder about that with people on threads who end up getting into arguments --- which I have had happen to me and maybe even caused... I never think.. who are they... or I wonder what has upset them in their life... or can't a thought be expressed without a war breaking out (from either side)

Or.. I was surprised that somehow this anecdote about sailing triggered some friction... :captain:


 

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I’ve been here before but haven’t tried the fried pie. I’m closer to burdines than my last visit here and will consider dinghying over to try it. I am concerned that fried pie sends me down a whole new hell hole of scum level.
Don, if that deep fried key lime pie sends you on some kind of a moral death spiral at least you'll go with a smile. A really big smile :grin

Remember in the Keys the difference between boat scum and the millionaires is you showered today and put on a clean shirt. We all look pretty much the same here :wink

And order an extra fries to go. They're great heated up with some eggs the next morning.
 
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I just spent some time getting an early jump on summer staying on land in Key West and on Stock Island. There and on the drive up the Keys I noticed quite a few boats anchored in places like Cow Key Channel and elsewhere up the Keys. The Boats have also returned in the anchorage on the west side of Wysteria and Sunset Island. The last hurricane wiped a lot of these boats and many of those I saw looked like they could not go anywhere if they tried. After cleaning up hundreds if not thousands of boats after the last Hurricane I can understand why the authorities are not happy of a repeat of that event.
 

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I've been going down to the Keys pretty often since the 1980's when I bought my timeshare. The situation regarding less than sea worthy boats looks much worse than before IRMA IMO. I also noticed them located beyond Key West northward this year and certainly noticed an increase around Key West this year compared to last year. I guess IRMA helped clear a lot of the boats out which are now coming back. At the Stock Island Marina I found out a 35 foot (minimum) slip is $1000 a month. Which seems like pretty good deal for a modern marina in that location. Sailor I spoke with that includes pump out by marina staff every week at your slip. Plus pool, showers and laundry facilities. Might even be able to use the hourly Hotel shuttle bus into town. Sounds like a much better deal than anchoring out and worrying about if you dingy will get stolen making you late for work.
 

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Controlling dinghy/shore access is a key.
KW has a similar muni program as marathon. 345 month mooring and 245 anchor gets dinghy landing shower trash wifi and weekly pumpout.
Iirc there is a 3rd muni marina somewhere else on same program...
So service workers can do the boat thing and actually get ahead...if they dont drunk it or put it up their nose....

The 'live to be free and weird' bunch..i am not referring to. Boat gig makes easy sense for many workers...so make it easy for them to get on the program.
Make it hard...then spend more in LE and etc...
 

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I had a Pearson 26 moored in Cocoa for 2 years - there were 20 boats on the west side of the intracoastal before Irma - 4 after, however over the last 2 years - the anchorage has filled up again - only a handful of boats get used - a few are livaboards that nver sail - others are just using it to park their boat for free - which is fine if they are in decent shape - but what I have found their are a number of owners without 2 nickles to rub together - they pick these boats up for free or for very little - wit the intent to fix them up and sail away or flip them - but reality sets in - very hard to work on a boat when on a mooring - they put a little effort into it at first then the boats just sits - they can't afford to fix it , and no one will give them anything for it - eventually the next hurricane or strong storm drives it ashore - they have no money for removal - county drags it out and takes it to dump and the whole process starts over
 

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There is a certain romantic notion about the guy living on a sailboat with no rudder or mast who spends his time hanging out in some little dockside bar chatting up the tourists.

Here's the reality, there is a mate on a fishing boat who's living on a derelict sailboat behind our property, complete with the spray painted symbols on the hull from the first responders who went through Boot Key Harbor after Irma. The rumor is he bought the boat salvage after the storm as a temporary solution because his trailer was trashed. After two years I don't think it's temporary anymore.

He's anchored in a restricted, no-anchor zone because it's close to the boat he works on. I don't think the boat has ever moved and as far as I know there is no pumpout boat that comes in here (at least no one has ever seen one).

Now the mangroves behind my place are full of fish and lobster. Are they safe to eat or contaminated by raw sewage? Is it safe to swim off my dock? My guess is the answer is no.

This isn't a "boat bum" conversation anymore, it's a sanitary conversation.

And what happens if this uninsured derelict drags anchor into someone's dock or boat during the next storm?


The real cost of housing, and how some people got into their current situation is a LONG and often contentious conversation with many layers that people on both sides want to over simplify.

Requiring boaters to meet safety, sanitary and anchoring standards - well that IS a simple conversation.
 
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Most of the ones living on their sailboats ( some without masts) weren't at the tiki bar at happy hour -they were in the park drinking out of bottles inside paper bags - not a romantic sight. There was a small group living on a dilapidated steel boat that somehow was floating - they hung out by the boat ramp - overheard a couple of conversations - each time involved someone getting out( of jail I assumed) or someone missing their parole appointment. ( made mental note to always lock truck door)
 

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Most of the ones living on their sailboats ( some without masts) weren't at the tiki bar at happy hour -they were in the park drinking out of bottles inside paper bags - not a romantic sight. There was a small group living on a dilapidated steel boat that somehow was floating - they hung out by the boat ramp - overheard a couple of conversations - each time involved someone getting out( of jail I assumed) or someone missing their parole appointment. ( made mental note to always lock truck door)
In my experience that's a pretty accurate description of the derelict crowd.

The flip side is my wife works with someone who lives on a nice trawler in Boot Key Harbor. Good folks, sound boat, no problem.
 

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You moved to escapeville.
This is not new.
Now youre pissed.
I also understand your frustration.
Well this "gentleman" showed up after we moved here. A lot of things washed up with hurricane Irma, most days you roll with it. Other days it's frustrating how long it's taking to get back to normal. A lot of it - including the policing of derelict boats - is going at a crawl because FEMA money has been held up in Washington.

Don't get me wrong, we love living here.

Id work hard to keep the lobster infestation under control
We're working hard at keeping ALL the seafood down here under control. We keep the grill busy. ;)
 

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Would think to have government board each boat. If not to some pre established standard for human occupancy condemn it just like you would do with a house. Use it to create artificial breakwater, reef, road base or other reasonable use.
Homelessness is a huge problem. Homeless people are not bad, evil or other derogatory term. Some have substance abuse disorder, some have mental health issues, some are truly the result of occurrences not under their control. That is a separate problem from the destruction of the environment. Both need to be dealt with concurrently but they are separate issues.
 

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Had a Sailnet member boat scum stop by my boat this morning and tell me how they had planned to steal my dinghy last night, but then I brought it up onto the davits :devil
 

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I split the thread to get the Climate Change stuff into its own thread.
Its here: https://www.sailnet.com/forums/off-topic/329394-climate-change-boat-people-scum-but-morphed.html

I also deleted some posts that had nothing to do with either by would distract.

I also deleted some gratuitous insults - really, do I need to change your diapers too!?


In general: The Mods have been busy and I was in Africa.
When a thread is started by a senior member and it rolls along with senior members contributing its not the type of thread that Mods are going to watch too carefully if we're busy.

So if a thread needs some fixing can you PLEASE hit the little triangle in the bottom of each post and make the suggestion, particularly if you are the OP.

The little Triangle thing sends an immediate message to all the moderators and whoever is around can come an assist

Finally, have a look at your post count... if you have made it to 500 posts its kinda expected for you to help us out when theres a problem :)



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