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Just an fyi. Saw this and thought might interest some. Seeing a lot of stories about this region lately. Good to see this I suspect - knowing you might die is a decent deterrent I would think to those who might decide to follow in your wake.



BRITISH NAVY KILLS TWO PIRATES IN GULF OF ADEN
2008-11-13 04:39:34.490 GMT


London (dpa) - Two suspected Somali pirates were shot and killed by
the crew of a British navy frigate in the Gulf of Aden, the Ministry
of Defence in London said.
A firefight occurred Tuesday when crew of the Royal Navy ship HMS
Cumberland dispatched sailors on boats to surround and board a pirate
dhow that had attempted earlier to seize a Danish vessel, the ministry
said in a statement late Wednesday, stressing that the killings had
been in self-defence.
An injured Yemeni national was also found on board one of the
Yemeni-flagged dhow, a traditional wooden vessel. The man later died
despite being treated by the HMS Cumberland's physician.
It remained unclear whether his wounds were a result of the
firefight or a previous incident, the ministry said, adding that an
investigation of the shooting was being carried out.
The firefight occurred about 100 kilometres south of the Yemeni
coast. The pirates had fired at the Danish vessel and twice attempted
to board her, the reports said.
The HMS Cumberland patrols the Gulf of Aden in the Arabian Sea
between Yemen and Somalia as part of a NATO operation. Pirates have
hijacked 30 ships in this region this year, one of the world's main
shipping routes, demanding high sums of ransom from the owners of
countries of origin. dpa gp im jh

-0- Nov/13/2008 4:39 GMT
 

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FI Yah

I think both the US and the Brits have that "Fi-Yah" that will calm them down..:)

I have only seen a few US Apache helicopters and aircraft carriers, but i know they are more than capable to put a world of hurt on a couple of dudes in a john boat.

i love the idea of a wild, pirate sailing community... but these guys are just criminals....not so funny in 2008.

the gulf of aden is not alot of ocean to patrol...:hothead
 

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They drove them out of Scotland a long time ago.
It's good to see the Royal Navy using their fists.

Watch this space though. It won't be too long before some city lawyer is alleging that their "human rights have been infringed", and some lawsuit....taxpayer funded... will emerge.

Pirates only respond to force.

That lesson was learned a long time ago.
 

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Personally, I don't see why those patrolling that region to protect law-abiding traffic from piracy should risk their lives even attempting to board pirate vessels. In a case like this, when the vessel is clearly a pirate, just blow it out of the water and move on.

Jim
 

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When I sailed back down the Baltic this year, the German Navy was on the radio requesting training assistance from selected vessels sailing south. They wanted to practice boarding and searching them. Quite a few responded positively. Looks like they were practising for Gulf of Aden operations.
 

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Royal Navy in firefight with Somali pirates - Times Online

I confess to viewing this one callously.
Sink them, sink them all, and leave them for the fish.
What do you do with captured pirates? What cowards.
Why that frigate did not stand back and sink the lot of them with it's 47 mm? cannon is a mystery to me.
That frigate captain would have been in deep kack if he had lost a man in that exchange.
 

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From Times Online

November 12, 2008
Royal Navy in firefight with Somali pirates


(MoD) The Royal Navy described the boarding as 'compliant'

Michael Evans, Defence Editor and Rob Crilly

Pirates caught redhanded by one of Her Majesty’s warships after trying to hijack a cargo ship off Somalia made the grave mistake of opening fire on two Royal Navy assault craft packed with commandos armed with machineguns and SA80 rifles.

In the ensuing gunfight, two Somali pirates in a Yemeni-registered fishing dhow were killed, and a third pirate, believed to be a Yemeni, suffered injuries and subsequently died. It was the first time the Royal Navy had been engaged in a fatal shoot-out on the high seas in living memory.

By the time the Royal Marines boarded the pirates’ vessel, the enemy had lost the will to fight and surrendered quietly. The Royal Navy described the boarding as “compliant”.

Yesterday’s dramatic confrontation, the latest in a series of piracy incidents in the Gulf of Aden in recent months, took place 60 miles south of the Yemeni coast and involved the Royal Navy Type 22 frigate, HMS Cumberland, which has a Royal Marine unit on board, on short-notice standby to engage in “non-compliant boardings”.

HMS Cumberland, on anti-piracy partol as part of a Nato maritime force, detected the dhow which was towing a skiff, and identified it as a vessel which had been involved in an attack on the Danish-registered MV Powerful earlier yesterday. The pirates had opened fire on the cargo boat with assault rifles.

Under rules of engagement which allows the Royal Navy to intervene when pirates are positively identified, the commandos were dispatched from the frigate in rigid-raider craft and sped towards the pirates’ dhow. The Ministry of Defence said the Marines circled the pirates’ boat to try and persuade them to stop.

As they approached, however, several of the pirates, a mixed crew of Somalis and Yemenis, swung their assault rifles in their direction and opened fire. The MoD said the Royal Marines returned fire “in self defence”, and then boarded the dhow — a stolen Yemeni-registered fishing vessel.

The commandos found guns and other “paraphernalia” on board the dhow and a handful of terrified pirates. The MoD said it was unclear whether the Yemeni who died had been shot by the Marines or was wounded from a previous incident involving the pirates.

The gun battle was in stark contrast to the Royal Navy’s last encounter with a boatful of armed men - when crew members of HMS Cornwall, also a Type 22 frigate, patrolling in the Gulf in rigid raiders, were surrounded by heavily armed Iranian Revolutionary Guards in March last year. Eight sailors, including a woman, Leading Seaman Faye Turney, and seven Marines were taken hostage without a shot being fired, and detained for 13 days. The Commons Defence Committee described the incident as “a national embarrassment”.

Yesterday’s battle signalled a new policy of maximum robustness for the Royal Navy on the high seas. Captain Mike Davis-Marks, a senior spokesman for the Navy, said: “This is bound to have an impact on pirates who for the last two years have been getting away with seizing vessels and receiving large ransoms. Now suddenly there’s the threat of death and this may force them to think again, but they are determined people, so we’ll have to see.”

The Russians claimed a helicopter based on their own frigate Neustrashimy had also taken part in yesterday’s battle, though the Royal Navy knew nothing about it. The Royal Marine commandos who boarded the pirates’ dhow were supported by a Lynx helicopter from HMS Cumberland, the MoD said.

Royal Navy in firefight with Somali pirates - Times Online
 

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Here is a picture for you...

Royal Navy in firefight with Somali pirates - Times Online

I confess to viewing this one callously.
Sink them, sink them all, and leave them for the fish.
What do you do with captured pirates? What cowards.
Why that frigate did not stand back and sink the lot of them with it's 47 mm? cannon is a mystery to me.
That frigate captain would have been in deep kack if he had lost a man in that exchange.

The British, if I remember my history, used to hang them.

Perhaps that is something that they ought to do again?
 

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What do you do with captured pirates?
Maybe Her Majesty's Government is going to rehabilitate them?

Why that frigate did not stand back and sink the lot of them with it's 47 mm? cannon is a mystery to me.
It's not, so much, to me. I'll say no more on that subject for fear of giving offence, other than to suggest Her Majesty's Royal Navy feeling they had to explicitly and emphatically note that their sailors fired "in self-defence" pretty much explains it all.

That frigate captain would have been in deep kack if he had lost a man in that exchange.
Like the commander of the HMS Cornwall, Cmdr. Jeremy Woods? Yeah, he was relieved of his post, but he kept his rank. He allowed 15 British sailors and Royal Marines to be captured by a 2nd-rate power and kept his rank! Or how about the "soldier" that "cried like a baby" when the Iranians confiscated his iPod? Still in Her Majesty's Royal Navy, is he? (My bet would be "yes.") Or is he now on disability with PTSD? :rolleyes:

I'm not going to claim our military would've done any better. The Lord knows we've had our share of embarrassments lately. Sad. Very, very sad :(

Jim
 

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Why that frigate did not stand back and sink the lot of them with it's 47 mm? cannon is a mystery to me.
I suppose he had no way of knowing whether the pirates had any odd yachtie hostages on board. Also it is not clear how the frigate knew for certain that the boat was manned by pirates, before the crew were approached and started shooting.

However, the Times story is probably incomplete, as it does not say how the fishing dhow was identified as the offending vessel.
 

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I agree with Jim, after seeing related pirate's while in th golf of tonkin while I was in the Navy back during Vietnam, I say just blow then out of the water and don't risk our men & women at all. Justice though a 5" 54 shell is enough.

Keep them safe,


Mike & Glinda
 

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Yes, there could have been hostages on board, I suppose.

The Iranian incident makes me squirm.
They will shoot it out next time, methinks.

A roaming helicopter is a very active discouragement.
 

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Well it is a start... But the LEOs should be more aggressive in eradicating those vermin. Not only at sea but in the ports also.
 

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good to see some whip crakn on pirates like that, i would like to hear more piracy reports ending like that, if they arent taken out they will just keep coming, with more guns and biger boats.
 

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jimmy— Kack is an alternate term for **** :)
 

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I am offended by those who want me to be politically correct... But pirates offended me even more. So shoot the foul smelling feces out of the pirates and give the PC police a norwegian sleigh ride.:mad:

By the way; the need to use swear words and to cuss, is the sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.
 

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Of course in times past the British Government was not averse to giving pirates "Letters of Marque" and then proclaiming said pirates as national heroes.
 
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