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The boat: 1975 catalina 27. Roller furling genoa, no adjustable backstay, only sail controls are boom vang, outhaul, cunningham, traveler, sheets and halyards.

The place: Western Long Island sound, near New York City, where the summer winds are flukey.

The plan: new genoa and mainsail, to be purchased from North, fx, or some other company that I can use to order by phone after I measure things.

The question:

What should I get? I want an "all purpose" set of sails, since I am not going to be changing them according to wind conditions (I know all purpose doesnt really exist). We generally sail in light wind conditions, pleasure sailing only, and daysailing only (so far), but we do like to go out in the occasional big blow.

Loose footed main or not?

How big a genoa?

Any full battens or none?

Anything else I should be thinking about? Sail weight, etc?
 

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I'd check out FX Sails which you can access through this site. Definitely the best prices around. For a C27, I'd go with a 150% genoa with the foam dealy-bob that allows for better performance when furled. Main: loose-footed and full battened.
 

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I had a new main sail made last year by SailCare after l did some research. Although I have a Helms 25, our sailing needs seem to be similar. Here is the purchase list I ended up ordering:
• Maximized area and roach with new style head as discussed.
• 6.5 Oz. highest threads per inch American sail cloth as discussed.
• Loose foot.
• 2 + 2 Style reinforced batten pockets with battens included.
• Helms 25 Blue Official insignia on each side of sail as located on original sail.
• Black 552 numbers on each side of sail as located on original sail.
• Draft stripes. Higher one in proper location when reefed.
• Reef points – Two, one for above 15 kts and one above 25 kts .
• New stitching pattern stronger than triple stitching as discussed.
• Adjustable leech cords and cleats.
• Sewn telltales.
• Sail bag.
• Sail slugs, minimum distance spacing for no wrinkle luff.
• Two year plus warranty.

I hope this helps.
 

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For your setup, I would stay with a Dacron main, 2 partial + 2 full battens to maxmize shaping with minimal flogging. Definately a loose foot on the main if you plan to use the outhaul - you might want to consider a shelf foot (extra material at the foot), but I have no direct experience here. Try to maximize the roach to get some more drive on the light air days, especially off the wind where the genoa might be in the wind shadow of the main. A 7-8oz material weight should be appropriate for the main. Your choice of reefs - I have 2 reef points on the sail, but I only have one permanently rigged. I figure if I need 2 reefs in the main, I should probably be motoring.

For the genoa, from which the C27 derives much of its drive, a 140-145-150% is probably necesary for the light air conditions you describe. Go with the 140 if you can increase the mainsail area - it will furl down to 110 and keep good shape. Otherwise, the 150 is the better choice, but realize you'll still have a bunch of sail area up even when reefed. A rope or foam luff is mandatory to keep good shape when roller furling down in higher wind. You might consider upgrading the sail material to a premium Dacron, like North's softer Norlam - maybe 7oz. UV protection for the leech and foot is a no-brainer if you are keep the sail hoisted on the roller furler.

Keep us up to speed on what you decide.

Jason
 

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You might want to have a look at Practically Sailing - The best sailing ideas and techniques on the Internet . It's a new site authored by Joe Cooper, who's with Hood Sails in Newport. There are several articles on the topics you mention, including full battens for cruising boats, how to measure for new sails, etc. As I said, it's a new site and all the bugs haven't been worked out yet, but if you stick with it you'll work yourself around to the things that are of interest.
 

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Pnone order vs Loft sails

Judging by the questions you are asking, I would strongly suggest calling a local sail loft (usually a UK, North, Doyle, etc loft nearby) and talking to one of the sailmakers. There are so many new materials and combination materials out there, that any one of us who tells you what to get without talking to you at length and seeing your boat is just plain wrong.

Sails are probably one of your bigger purchases for this boat. Unless you have sailed a long time, bought lots of sails, and are sure of what you want, you may not be pleased with your results.

Having bought sails by mail order as well as through a loft, I can attest that while the loft sails were generally more expensive by 20% or so, they ended up being the sails we like and use regularly, and were well worth the extra cost for what we got. Having someone from the loft who has made sails for 25 years walk me through the type of questions you asked, and a whole lot of others, and then making suggestions based on my needs was worth the effort. Sure, once you have gone through the process a couple of times, and are sure of what you want in terms of material, size, reef points, etc, it may be easy to buy over the phone or internet, but new sails are a pretty big investment to figure out on your own for the first time.

Can't recommend a local loft, but I can recommend at least giving them a call and meeting with them. You can always decide to go the other route if you are unhappy.

Good luck.
 

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If your boat is a standard Cat 27... I'd recommend going with National Sails, as they're going to be really tough to be on price.
 

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The last time we went through this here the loft sails were about 100% more expensive than the FX/Internet sails. For casual use on LIS on a hugely popular boat there is absolutely no need to incur extra expense.
My own advice would be to get a 130 genny so you can roll it up with still decent performance at 100% on those 20 knot days. The 150 would come in very handy on many summer days but you'd be better off with a light air reacher and sock as a summer winds option.
Two reef points in a loose footed main should be all that is needed.
You don't say whether you have a tall rig Cat27 so I will assume standard.
FX has the following
Mainsail...loose foot 2 reef, with insignia...$765
135% Genny $889 add $100 bucks for a 150%
Using 6.53oz Challenge Dacron Sailcloth on all.
Shop and compare! FX is here:
Catalina 27 Sails
 

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Cam's price at FX beats National Sail, so use FX, and support Sailnet at the same time. :)
 

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FX has a 3 year warranty.
Local Sail lofts are happy to do repair work as they are not just taking an order and shipping it to the brands "Hong Kong" branch for completion which is what happens 95% of the time on standard sails.
Let's not repeat this recently held discussion again. Anyone can look it up.
 

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Perhaps now would be a good time to reiterate, contemplate, discuss and argue -- IN THE MINUTEST DETAIL -- the pros and cons of each and every approach. Who would like to begin?
 

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Support FX... they've built loads of Sails for your boat I'm sure and have the cut dialed in. (I believe experience on a particular rig to be critical to a good sail.)

As Cam said, I'd stick with 130ish genny... Those Cat27's will do well with them, and if you're not racing you'll be more than pleased! (I grew up sailing on the LiSound...Smithtown Bay....)

Talk to they guys at FX about the roach in the main... go with the fullest roach that makes sense! Definitely a loose footed main... Dacron all the way. (btw a main with a big roach.. just looks.. well.. cool!!!)..If you have the 'tall' C27 rig than you might want to reconsider the big roach, but you didn't mention which rig you have.

I race now (not super competitive stuff) every week and I have all Dacron sails. 135ish Roller furler on my Sabre 34. I've been very successful...IMHO it's easier to handle a 135ish than a 150ish any day. Worth the trade off for the boat speed if you're not a racing nut. (and especially if crew is hard to come-by).

All that said, I've never bought any sails from FX and prefer to deal strictly with North Sails....but that's because I've been buying sails from them for years and know the guys...but for your boat I think FX will hit the cut perfect, and their price will probably be better.
 

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Hey AJ - I have a C27 myself that I sail very poorly. And I'm in the market for a new jib since I just blew mine out in my recent BFS with CharlieCobra.

I'm having the old jib cut down at a local sail loft for a high-wind jib. And I'm liking FX for the replacement - as well as a new spin.

So I'm getting a lot out of these answers too.

Welcome to Sailnet dude. It's gotten a lot nicer around here, huh!
 

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I race now (not super competitive stuff) every week and I have all Dacron sails. 135ish Roller furler on my Sabre 34. I've been very successful...IMHO it's easier to handle a 135ish than a 150ish any day. Worth the trade off for the boat speed if you're not a racing nut. (and especially if crew is hard to come-by)....
Just be aware, that Chuckles has posted photos of you racing, and it is obvious why you win... racing against an Optimist dinghy and a Sunfish... you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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Also note, If you have a tall rig, Artby Jody has some kevlar sails he might be willing to get rid of, I have his 155'ish at my house, I believe the main is at his. I am recalling the demensions are on the bag, which is in the basement, will be down there in abit, and will verify and post. I know I wrote them down some where too! as I measured it at one time too!

Marty
 

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Thanks for all the helpful responses! BTW I have a standard rig.
 

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I am asking a REAL question as i like there prices Do they have any repair center and how do the handle the 3 year warranty in the real world
 
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