I have a West Wight Potter 15 with a 12volt battery in it. I want to keep it charged out on the water as I will be listening to music and having a few lights on this summer. What would you recommend for keeping it charged. Solar or wind power? And are there any cost effective ways because solar panels are usually very expensive. I also am wondering how much a solar panel can do considering I may be using the battery a lot. Do you think it could keep up with my use and how many watts would it need to be to do that? Thanks.
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Netscheid,
How many days will you be out at a time?
We were a family of four on a 25' boat for several years and we would be out for three and four weeks at a time, with a single battery. We just didn't use that much power. Your radio might draw 2 amps and each interior light might draw about two amps. You would have to have the light or radio on for an hour to draw the two amps however. Just think of how long all those boom boxes ran on a the four or six D batteries. If you're just out for weekends, or a week at a time you would probably save a bunch of money by just taking your battery home to charge it. If you're leaving your boat out on a mooring all summer long, then a small solar trickle charger might be a good idea.
How many days will you be out at a time?
We were a family of four on a 25' boat for several years and we would be out for three and four weeks at a time, with a single battery. We just didn't use that much power. Your radio might draw 2 amps and each interior light might draw about two amps. You would have to have the light or radio on for an hour to draw the two amps however. Just think of how long all those boom boxes ran on a the four or six D batteries. If you're just out for weekends, or a week at a time you would probably save a bunch of money by just taking your battery home to charge it. If you're leaving your boat out on a mooring all summer long, then a small solar trickle charger might be a good idea.
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Net...more info needed. What SIZE battery do you have...group 24, 27, 31???
How much electricity it is able to store is important.
Are you looking to constantly recharge your battery as you use it every day or simply recharge it during the week so you can use it again on the weekend.
Listening to music through a car stereo or something else?
What is quite a few lights? What kind of bulbs? LED, Halogen, incandecent? What wattage bulbs?
Do you have a charger on board and keep the boat plugged in or on you on a mooring or a trailer?
We can't give the right answers without the right info.
How much electricity it is able to store is important.
Are you looking to constantly recharge your battery as you use it every day or simply recharge it during the week so you can use it again on the weekend.
Listening to music through a car stereo or something else?
What is quite a few lights? What kind of bulbs? LED, Halogen, incandecent? What wattage bulbs?
Do you have a charger on board and keep the boat plugged in or on you on a mooring or a trailer?
We can't give the right answers without the right info.
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I have a small Capri-18 with a group-24 battery for 12 volt power, i.e. lights and autohelm. I trailer the boat and simply install a small solar charger that tops off the battery while stored. I've used the boat for several days and haven't yet run the battery down all the way. You might also think of hooking up a 12 volt plug into your vehicles electrical system and run a 12 volt extension cord to ensure the battery is topped off while driving to the ramp. Also, I bought several LED camping lights from Wal-Mart for $5. each that we use in the cabin most of the time, that also helps save the big battery for autohelm duties.. These take 4- AA batteries and they last for hundreds of hours.
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OK, so first of all, yes I do have a charger at home and I keep it charged between trips. I will probably be out for a week at most. I don't really actually use a lot of lights. At night I just keep the anchor light on and use the cabin light sparingly. I went out and looked at the batter but could not the find the "group" as you said camaraderie. Here's all the info on the battery: Battery/2000 2M-1270 12V75Ah
I'm not sure if that means anything to you. I am going to be listening to music through a car stereo or something like that. I do have a small charger on board but it is rare that I will be able to get a place to plug it in. Thanks again everyone, I'm impressed with all of your willingness to help someone out.
I'm not sure if that means anything to you. I am going to be listening to music through a car stereo or something like that. I do have a small charger on board but it is rare that I will be able to get a place to plug it in. Thanks again everyone, I'm impressed with all of your willingness to help someone out.
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I'd recommend you read this primer on solar power on boats I wrote. 
Then you need to figure out what your rough daily electrical usage is, and how many days of electricity you'll be using. That gives you a rough estimate to base your battery bank on, and then figure out how many days you have between uses....and that gives you your rough recharge time. Base your solar panel sizing on the recharge time and the amount of power you need to replace, but give yourself a bit of a safety margin-20-25% would be good.
Then you need to figure out what your rough daily electrical usage is, and how many days of electricity you'll be using. That gives you a rough estimate to base your battery bank on, and then figure out how many days you have between uses....and that gives you your rough recharge time. Base your solar panel sizing on the recharge time and the amount of power you need to replace, but give yourself a bit of a safety margin-20-25% would be good.
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OK...found your battery....http://www.battery2000.com/2m1270.htm
It is a wet cell sealed type with a 73.5 amp hour capacity when new. You can use HALF this capacity...say 35 amp hours before you need to recharge. So now lets look at your usage.
Car stereo...uses 2 amps....lets say you listen 10 hours a day...20 amp hours.
Anchor light...1 amp....8 hours...8 amp hours
Cabin light 1 amp....6 hours....6 amp hours
And your daily total CONSERVATIVELY is 34 amp hours requiring you to completely recharge your battery each day.
So...if the sun does not shine or the wind does not blow...you are out of luck.
Alternatives...add more capacity in batteries...two group 31's would give you 3 days between recharges.
Get a small gas generator and use it to run your battery charger daily.
If you stick with solar or wind options...you would need a 120watt solar panel to replace your usage on SUNNY days.
If you go with a wind generator...any decent one will supply all your needs IF the wind is over 10 knots.
Estimates:
900-1000Watt portable generator.... $500-700
120Watt solar panel+ regulator+ install $800
Windvane w/ regulator on stern pole installed $1500
2 Group 31 Deep Cycle Wet Cell Batteries...$300
Hope this helps!
It is a wet cell sealed type with a 73.5 amp hour capacity when new. You can use HALF this capacity...say 35 amp hours before you need to recharge. So now lets look at your usage.
Car stereo...uses 2 amps....lets say you listen 10 hours a day...20 amp hours.
Anchor light...1 amp....8 hours...8 amp hours
Cabin light 1 amp....6 hours....6 amp hours
And your daily total CONSERVATIVELY is 34 amp hours requiring you to completely recharge your battery each day.
So...if the sun does not shine or the wind does not blow...you are out of luck.
Alternatives...add more capacity in batteries...two group 31's would give you 3 days between recharges.
Get a small gas generator and use it to run your battery charger daily.
If you stick with solar or wind options...you would need a 120watt solar panel to replace your usage on SUNNY days.
If you go with a wind generator...any decent one will supply all your needs IF the wind is over 10 knots.
Estimates:
900-1000Watt portable generator.... $500-700
120Watt solar panel+ regulator+ install $800
Windvane w/ regulator on stern pole installed $1500
2 Group 31 Deep Cycle Wet Cell Batteries...$300
Hope this helps!
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Solar IS expensive, there's no way around that. If you are going to be taking the battery home and back to recharge it, get an AGM battery so there's no problem with acid spilling.
You can expect that most solar panels will put out about four hours worth of their rated capacity, given a full day of sunlight. So if the panel is rated 25 watts--you may get 100 watt hours (about 7 amp-hours) of power on a sunny summer day. Make sure that if you do go solar, the panels are warranteed for marine and exterior use, otherwise they will be destroyed by water penetration. The cheap "keep the car charged" panels usually have to be kept sheltered, even rain will kill most of them.
You can expect that most solar panels will put out about four hours worth of their rated capacity, given a full day of sunlight. So if the panel is rated 25 watts--you may get 100 watt hours (about 7 amp-hours) of power on a sunny summer day. Make sure that if you do go solar, the panels are warranteed for marine and exterior use, otherwise they will be destroyed by water penetration. The cheap "keep the car charged" panels usually have to be kept sheltered, even rain will kill most of them.
The best advice I got when looking for a way to keep the batteries charged out on the water was that diesel is a lot cheaper than buying solar panels or wind chargers. I have 2x 80ah house batteries (which gives me about 60ah usable power) and a separate starter battery, my alternator is old and puts out 28amps (!!!). I run the engine (18hp - uses 1litre an hour) 2x a day for 1hr to cool the freezer and charge the batteries - but then I don't have a lot of electronics, just a gps/depth sounder, vhf and an auto tiller. I have put in LEDs on some lights, but have kept incandescent for the rest as they are much 'warmer'.
I guess that I make up the shortfall of amps at times when I'm motoring and at the marina I keep a trickle charger attached. It is cheap and works for me.
I guess that I make up the shortfall of amps at times when I'm motoring and at the marina I keep a trickle charger attached. It is cheap and works for me.
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This is not necessarily true, since you have to account for the cost of maintenance and replacement of the diesel charging source. If you take those factors into account, solar and wind are both far more reasonable. Also, if you're cruising long-term, diesel charging sources have a problem of having finite fuel-which solar and wind charging systems do not. With solar and wind charging systems, you don't have to carry the fuel with you.
Sailingdog - if you are going cruising and are going to spend a lot of time (years) on the boat I agree. For th average 3weeks a year trip and a few longish weekends, I wouldn't bother to spend the extra money. I have to run the compressor for the fridge anyway.
Netscheid - a simple multimeter ($10 - 60) and a hygrometer to measure the specific gravity of your battery acid (from an auto shop - mine cost about $10)
Netscheid - a simple multimeter ($10 - 60) and a hygrometer to measure the specific gravity of your battery acid (from an auto shop - mine cost about $10)
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A solar panel will work pretty much year round with little maintenance or upkeep. A 25 Watt panel is less than $200, and can probably keep up with weekend usage if the battery bank is sized appropriately.
It's really hard to test a battery and tell how much charge it has in it. A hydrometer helps some, but it's messy (battery acid is nasty stuff) and as mentioned above, not useful with a sealed battery. Looking at resting voltage is also of limited use. The only way to have a good estimate of the charge state of a battery is, is to track how much charge you put into the battery and how much you take out. There are meter systems that do this quite nicely. Do a search for "Xantrex Link 10 Battery Bank Monitor". You don't usually see them 15 foot boats, but on the other hand I would think the installation would very simple. You would know your battery condition and exactly when it's time to recharge.
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I have a little gizmo I think is made by Minn Kota that has 4 lights to give you an idea of the charge level. I think I got it at west marine for $10-15.
Some of the solutions you guys are making are a bit much for a 15 foot boat. I have a 6watt solar panel that I clamp on a rail that keeps the battery topped. I used to have a 6hp evinrude outboard with a charging wire that I ran to the battery. That assumes you will use the engine.
One other solution is to replace the anchor light with a LED that will cut its draw by 80-90% . I also have 5-LED lights from Costco that run on AAA batteries. They last a long time and are decent for reading. They can be stuck on with velcro or a screw.
Some of the solutions you guys are making are a bit much for a 15 foot boat. I have a 6watt solar panel that I clamp on a rail that keeps the battery topped. I used to have a 6hp evinrude outboard with a charging wire that I ran to the battery. That assumes you will use the engine.
One other solution is to replace the anchor light with a LED that will cut its draw by 80-90% . I also have 5-LED lights from Costco that run on AAA batteries. They last a long time and are decent for reading. They can be stuck on with velcro or a screw.
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More thoughts re battery.
Good suggestions above perhaps some more thoughts.
On our 23 foot sloop we have running and cabin lights and do ten daytrips far from power.
We have a battery charger for marina tie up.Its a 6 amp cheapy and brings up our two average car batteries up to the mark.Soemtimes we have had to put them into the car to charge them up on the way home because we wanted to hurry back out sailing.In shaky ports where we have to watch the crims do not steal the battery we have taken it on board and once or twice been glad of the extra.Push starts have happened for the car.
Potters would be small for a decent solar panel.A small generator solves my friend's problemns .He likes to take walks on the beach and leaves his generator running up on deck while he goes for a walk.It also keeps the scum from ripping off the boat when thay think someone is home.As the economy tightens you'll find they'll steal the cleats I am not paranoid but in the UK theft is major around the waterfront.The generator we have can run our waeco freezer,computer and charge the batteries ar the same timefor way less fuel than the big boat motor.I can lift it with without strain at 62 AND WHEN I GO OUT ON BIGGER BOATS i DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR SYSTEM and most of them see the wisdom in having unlimited power .its an option and up on deck in a blow you have to strain to hear its running down below.I use earplugs around some boats as i like to sail not motor.With head lights for personal use,LED bulbs ,crank power and other wonders you can be simpler and more efficient.Stuff from LL Bean is great,cheaper than the marin suppliers and they mail order.Have fun
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Good suggestions above perhaps some more thoughts.
On our 23 foot sloop we have running and cabin lights and do ten daytrips far from power.
We have a battery charger for marina tie up.Its a 6 amp cheapy and brings up our two average car batteries up to the mark.Soemtimes we have had to put them into the car to charge them up on the way home because we wanted to hurry back out sailing.In shaky ports where we have to watch the crims do not steal the battery we have taken it on board and once or twice been glad of the extra.Push starts have happened for the car.
Potters would be small for a decent solar panel.A small generator solves my friend's problemns .He likes to take walks on the beach and leaves his generator running up on deck while he goes for a walk.It also keeps the scum from ripping off the boat when thay think someone is home.As the economy tightens you'll find they'll steal the cleats I am not paranoid but in the UK theft is major around the waterfront.The generator we have can run our waeco freezer,computer and charge the batteries ar the same timefor way less fuel than the big boat motor.I can lift it with without strain at 62 AND WHEN I GO OUT ON BIGGER BOATS i DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR SYSTEM and most of them see the wisdom in having unlimited power .its an option and up on deck in a blow you have to strain to hear its running down below.I use earplugs around some boats as i like to sail not motor.With head lights for personal use,LED bulbs ,crank power and other wonders you can be simpler and more efficient.Stuff from LL Bean is great,cheaper than the marin suppliers and they mail order.Have fun
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