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Im looking at a new boat and im wanting to replace the cleats for the jib and main halyard and want to know what would be the bets type to get.Its a 23 ft boat
Your picture confuses me. Have you purchased a sailing submarine?Im looking at a new boat and im wanting to replace the cleats for the jib and main halyard and want to know what would be the bets type to get.Its a 23 ft boat![]()
You might want to look at an earlier discussion: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-discussion-sailing-related/158281-rigging-question%85.htmlIm looking at a new boat and im wanting to replace the cleats for the jib and main halyard and want to know what would be the bets type to get.Its a 23 ft boat![]()
Jim--Depends on how the halyards are rigged. Getting proper luff tension is the goal, and doing that is easiest with a winch and clutch. You may not have that on a 23 foot boat. Typical for a smaller boat is just a traditional cleat at the mast. Not ideal but it can work.
It is impossible to move a halyard to a jam cleat like this without effecting the tension on the line. You need something inline with the direction of pull. The only options are a cam or a clutch, and on a small boat there is no good reason for a clutch. It's just overkill. At least unless you want to use constrictor clutched on raw dyneema , but again overkill.Jim--
With all due respect, the inexpensive Self Jamming Cleat referred to above and in the earlier thread listed as a reference in a prior post in this thread:
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is ideal for allowing one to "sweat up" the main and jib halyards on a 23 and get them as tight as necessary, particularly if coupled with an inexpensive 3-part Cunningham for controlling draft position.
FWIW...
I don't have any problems mine are bronze and mounted vertically on the mast jam side upIt is impossible to move a halyard to a jam cleat like this without effecting the tension on the line. You need something inline with the direction of pull. The only options are a cam or a clutch, and on a small boat there is no good reason for a clutch. It's just overkill. At least unless you want to use constrictor clutched on raw dyneema , but again overkill.
Ronstan Constrictor Clutch | Sailing World
Ah... Wrongo. Raise the halyard as far as possible by hand hauling downward and jamb same with an upward pull in the cleat, "jamming" it in place. Grab halyard above cleat with tail in one's off hand and pull outward, perpendicular to the mast sharply, adding "slack" taken up with a sharp downward than upward haul about the jamb cleat with one's off hand. At my age and weight (155#) I can pretty near draw the halyard tight on a sail weighing nearly as much as I do on a 60' mast. If the OP can't do the same on a 23 foot boat, he/she needs to find another avocation/sport.It is impossible to move a halyard to a jam cleat like this without effecting the tension on the line. You need something inline with the direction of pull. The only options are a cam or a clutch, and on a small boat there is no good reason for a clutch. It's just overkill. At least unless you want to use constrictor clutched on raw dyneema , but again overkill.
Ronstan Constrictor Clutch | Sailing World
+1there is no way to load up a halyard on a winch then take it off the winch and onto a cleat without loosing tension on it. If it was then there would be no need for the winch in the first place, and if you can get enough halyard tension on a 60' mast by hand then you are trimming your sail wrong.
In case you missed it the op has a 23 ft boatThere is no way to load up a halyard on a winch then take it off the winch and onto a cleat without loosing tension on it. If it was then there would be no need for the winch in the first place, and if you can get enough halyard tension on a 60' mast by hand then you are trimming your sail wrong.
In case you missed it, he was talking to svHyLyte.In case you missed it the op has a 23 ft boat
Evidently you missed the fact that I made no reference to a winch or using a winch. Nor is a winch needed at all on a 23 foot boat. The fall of one's halyard is led directly to the jam cleat and one simply "sweats" it tight as described in my earlier comment (repeated following):There is no way to load up a halyard on a winch then take it off the winch and onto a cleat without loosing tension on it. If it was then there would be no need for the winch in the first place, and if you can get enough halyard tension on a 60' mast by hand then you are trimming your sail wrong.
Over the last 50+ years we have used this technique to properly tighten the halyards on Lido 14's, a Thunderbird 26, the Gaff and Peak Halyards on a Friendship sloop (not our own, however), a Soling (which we sailed all over heck's half-acre out of Road Town in the BVI) etc. etc. etc. On our current (and likely last) yacht, we use the technique to quickly get the Main most of the way up a nearly 60' mast rather than standing in the cockpit cranking away half the morning on a #40 halyard winch. With the method, the jammed halyard holds the sail in place while I amble back to the cockpit, take up the slack, wrap the winch and finally crank in (which releases/pulls the halyard out of the jam) the last 6-8 feet of hoist and finally set the tension on the luff using the winch (after which we close a stopper over the halyard to free the winch for other uses).Raise the halyard as far as possible by hand hauling downward and jamb same with an upward pull in the cleat, "jamming" it in place. Grab halyard above cleat with tail in one's off hand and pull outward, perpendicular to the mast sharply, adding "slack" taken up with a sharp downward than upward haul about the jamb cleat with one's off hand.