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We are new to sailing and are looking to buy a boat. A Coronado 41 has caught our interest. It is a 1972. I have heard both good and bad about Coronado. Any imput would be appreciated.
 

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You might do a search as this topic was just discussed in the past few weeks. Here is the broad generalities of that discussion. Any boat this age is likely to have a whole range of issues, old sails, running and standing rigging that is past its useful life span, engine in need of overhaul, out dated deck hardware, keel to hull joint problems, deck core problems, poor electronics, shot uplholstery and deck canvas, and so on. Any combination of these can quickly exceed the value of the boat.

The Coronados were cheaply built and were more subject to problems than a well built boat. Beyond that, the type of person who buys in inexpensive boat often takes short cuts with outfitting and maintenance as well.

So fair or not these boats have a reputation for having more problems than other boats of that era. That reputation affects resale as well as purchase, so while you can buy them cheaply, you are stuck selling them cheaply. Adding to this problem, they have aesthetics that are an aquired taste that most of us have not bothered to purchase. This further drives down their percieved and resale value. If you make the effort to fix one up, you are less likely to get your money out of the boat than if you were to fix up a better quality boat.

As to their sailing ability, they appear to have a quick corky motion in a seaway and would not be my first choice for an offshore boat. Because of mediocre ventilation and sailing ability they are not my first choice for a coastal boat either. If you are looking for a cheap liveaboard or you found one that someone carefully fixed up and is selling a bargain, they could make a reasonable live aboard.

On one of these BB''s there is a guy who spent some time cruising the Bahamas on a 35 and while his review is a little mixed he really found the boat good for that purpose.

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Oh yeah, what ever you do, get the boat surveyed. Pay particular attention to the keel bolts and mast step area.
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if you do a search for coronado sailboats on this site, just about every thread regarding the topic jeffh you seem to have gone out of your way to bash these boats and much of what you say is also not true. while i will agree they are not built to extreme standards but the construction is way heavier than production boats built today and they get the job done. these are good boats that are fully capable of long term cruising my 41 crossed the pacific all the way from the north atlantic, and i always run across coronados in different foreiegn ports in the carribean. i believe you can buy a better 40 footer but it will cost you 4x as much.
 

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Any reason you're foaming at the mouth about a post that is ALMOST EIGHT YEARS OLD? Just curious.
 

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just happened to read it now, does it matter if it was 10 years or 10min? thought it was a series of misinformed posts and i had a different opinion on the topic.
 

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41 Coronado

Well 10 years or 10 min. I guess I just happen to read this post & darned if the new sailor could be me. My wife & I are looking to buy a sailboat capable of costal crusing our first, as we have been GB owners for many years. We are also looking at a Coronado 41 for size and strength. We have read about Hunters, Ericsons,Newports, Catalinas, Irwin and Columbia Yachts everyone has a good thing to say and seems like a lot of negative comments as well. We just are looking for an honest answer on the structural integrity, safety and sailability of this boat...speed is the LAST item on our list. Most of the boats 10 yrs + old have issues so buying used it is expected to make repairs..this makes the boat your own. Dennis & Terri
 

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I'll not get involved with the pluses and minus of the Coronado 41 here, however, if anyone is interested, please see our website at: S/V M'Lady Kathleen

We outiftted our Coronado 41 ourselves (previous fresh water boat), and have now been four years either on the way, or in the Caribbean. The website has hundreds of Caribbean pictures and tons of text (updated each month).

If anyone has specific questions about a Coronado 41, please feel free to email me directly ([email protected]). There is virtually no portion of our boat that hasn't been worked on, modified, or improved. No one has worked on our boat except ourselves in the 7 years of ownership.

Best regards,
Roland and Kathleen
S/V M'Lady Kathleen
Coronado 41, 1973, Ser. # 7, built in Portsmouth, VA

P.S. The Coronado 41 uses the identical hull to the Columbia 41 (manufactured in the same plant) and has the same sail plan.
 

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We don't see a lot of Coronado's in the Great Lakes and I have only surveyed three Coronado 35's and all three had spent their lives in fresh water. All three had rotten deck core, severly corroded chainplates, severly corroded keel bolts and collapsed mast steps.

I don't think Coronado would make the top of my list
 

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I have had a coronado 41 since 2006 and some things are true in my case. while we have found issues such as keel to hull joint issues and a couple of soft spots in the deck, both were maintenance issues that were ignored by the previous owner.

if the previous owner had re-bed the deck hardware in anything but silicone the stanchion bases wouldn't have leaked and got the core wet with fresh water. and if the PO had not let fresh water flood the bilge for about a decade I wouldn't have keel bolt issues. both of the issues I knew about when I purchased the vessel and were obvious.

you may ask "if you knew about those problems, why did you buy it?" because it was a good boat that needed a little bit of work, and she was a good buy for the money.

the truth is that coronado 41s are heavily built vessels that are not considered blue water boats only for the lack of sufficient water and fuel tanks. mine came from the factory with 40g water and 35g fuel. this makes her a coastal cruiser until I replace the original tanks with larger ones which take up all of the wasted space that went unused.
I find the cor-41 to be sea kindly while sailing, but when there is no wind she acts like any other boat with a 50% ballast to displacement ratio, this makes her recover from rolling too quickly, but this makes her more stable while sailing. with canvas up she barely feels chop on the beam and rarely reaches 20 degrees heel. under power with the original perkins 4-108, she moves along at about 6.5-7kts while burning about 1 gal per hour, but if you slow things down a bit to 5-5.5 kts she sips along at about 1/2 gal per hour. under sail she moves along efficiently for a vessel of her tonnage, needing only 10kts of wind to achieve her hull speed on a beam reach. while some may think that she has more windage from her flush deck, the truth is that she has little more windage above the waterline than other designs, the diference is that the height of the cabin is the entire width of the boat, not just in the middle. the rig is well designed with a short stout keel stepped mast supported with over-sized mast-head standing rigging. the shroud chainplates are through-deck type bolted to heavy all glass structural members, and fore and back stays through-bolted to the stem and stern.

while this boat has hull stiffening members, there are very little full height bulkheads, as is seen in modern cruisers. this allows some flexibility in the hull, while maximizing open space.

while turning this vessel into a world cruiser we will need to make several changes; tanks, upgrade steering to hydraulic, install an autopilot alternate power(solar panels) and more. this is comon to find more work than you think in a boat of this age, but as long as you use her you will get the money out of her.

I am happy with my coronado 41 and you will be too
 

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I too am looking at a Coronado 41 as a live aboard as well as cruising the Caribbean. My interior tastes are simple; space to live in comfortably and enough amenities that I don't need to go ashore for every little thing. I am concerned, however, as several posts have mentioned leaks in the bilge with some sounding as if they were rather serious as well as keel to hull leaks. Are these common problems with this boat? I absolutely will have it surveyed prior to any consideration of purchasing it and I am handy enough to do a lot of repairs/maintenance myself.
 

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I happen to be the owner of an older fiberglass "tank" of the early seventies. Mine happens to be a Morgan, but still an often maligned production. There was a time in 1971 that I would have had a Coronado if I had the credit and borrowing power at 23. Image and status, as well as real world performance, has the result of some vessels costing far less than others. The best buy in real estate is the cheapest house on the block. The best boat is the one that does what you want it to do! Take care and joy, Aythya crew
 

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Vetmike,

there is a possibility of rot in the deck and keel to hull joints in any boat with wood in the deck and a bolt on keel. the real question is that the case with a boat you are looking at.

our coronado 41 was neglected for more than ten years before I bought it. the keel was painted with rustolium spray paint and there was standing water in what should have been a dry part of the bilge. the top nuts on the keel bolts were not installed correctly and were in standing water causing corrosion at the threads under the top nuts... luckily the previous owner never put a wrench to the bottom nuts and the threads were fine. I smacked the keel bolts with a hammer and every one sang me a tune. you should do this too.
if the boat you are looking at has any leaks in the deck, you may have rot. the extent of the rot can be discovered by using a hard tappy kind of device (handle of a wood hammer) and start where you know the core is good and move into suspect areas (around deck hardware) if the sound goes from a sharp sound to a dull sound, you have bad core..... I found bad core on my boat around a few stanchions, but it was minor and was easily removed and filled with thickened epoxy. this method is ok for a few square inches, but if it is a few square feet the deck should be opened up and the core replaced.

I know of no other places there would be leaks, the shaft log is solid, the rudder bearing is a huge mound of fiberglass and prop shaft strut should be ok as long as it hasn't had a line wrapped around it and yanked off (pretty easy to discover).

the down points to a coronado 41 is the size of the tanks, 40gal water, 35 gal fuel, and not built with a holding tank. these things are something to overcome. for water, I have installed a dock water fitting in the bow that supplies us with unending water as long as we are connected and we carry a couple of jerry jugs while cruising puget sound. 50 gallons last the two of us about 5-6 days. the fuel we haven't found to inconvenient since we have stayed inside puget sound... with a fuel burn of less than 1gal/hr and time to transit puget sound from end to end being less than 24 hrs we are usually in range of a fuel dock.

good luck
 

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I too am looking at a Coronado 41 as a live aboard as well as cruising the Caribbean. My interior tastes are simple; space to live in comfortably and enough amenities that I don't need to go ashore for every little thing. I am concerned, however, as several posts have mentioned leaks in the bilge with some sounding as if they were rather serious as well as keel to hull leaks. Are these common problems with this boat? I absolutely will have it surveyed prior to any consideration of purchasing it and I am handy enough to do a lot of repairs/maintenance myself.
Hi Mike, I have this boat but any problems about leaks in the bilge the only problem is about a bad core but I think that every boat hav his history. If you want I have found one coronado on sale in italy vendo Coronado 41 - Coronado Yachts :: SailingTheWeb

Lorenzo
 

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Those 80,000 euros for the 1975 Coronado 41 are $113,000+. You find old 41 Coronados in the best expected shape here in the US for about half this price! Take care and joy, Aythya crew
 

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I have had my Coronado 41 for 5 years now, I stole her for $16,500.
I really do love this boat, been sailing the Lake of the Ozark the whole time, while upgrading her systems. I live on board every weekend and sometimes the whole summer. There is a lot of space on board and the queen size bed in the aft berth is just fantastic.
I have replaced the wiring, fuse panel and water system completely, currently updating the sailing hardware on deck.
There are some soft spots on the deck where previous owners neglected her, keel bolts are good, check them annually and I keep the bilge nice and dry.
The perkins 4.108 Diesel engine keeps clanking along, no issues so far, I replace the impeller every 2 years, change the oil annually and other minor maintenance.
Personally I think the Coronado's have gotten a bad rap. They are great boats for the price and how old they are.
No matter what boat you buy, get a good survey done and expect to do some repairs and refits
 

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Having had a Columbia or two (same company)I have fpound them to be solid boats that take a fair amount of abuse, and are pretty much bullet proof, and sail well, although they all had a little more weather helm than I like but can be trimmed out. As far as cosmetics and finish, they are simple and somewhat utilitarian, with a lot of fiberglass inserts and lost space, but again solid. Asfor other comments about maintenance issues, all boats will need attention to things like keel bolts, stuffing boxes, maybe iron tanks, rusty chainplates that literally break off in your hand ( had a Hunter do this a week after a trip up the mast). So in short do your research, find a boat you like, GET A SURVEY prior to purchase and understand that all used items require maintenance. Sometimes previous owners keep records of repairs, or if they are long time owners and the marina has done the work on the boat they have records. Lastly having been on a Coronado 41 center cockpit, it seems to me that having the cockpit sit up as high as it is -and higher yet on the Columbia 41 center cockpit, it would be a somewhat rough ride when the weather got rough from being so high and constant rocking/pitching. Might be a worthwhile trade off for the extra room though.
 

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I restored a Columbia 43 - exactly the same build quality, parts etc. The two biggies I found were the keel bolts - steel into iron. They were toast along with the backing floors (also steel) Pics attached. You can replace them in pairs in the water. Not a huge job or all that expensive. My new hardware cost well under a boat buck, drilling and electropolishing included

The other thing was the wiring. While the electrical hardware was good - Danforth and others of the same grade - the actual wiring was insane. The wire for the cabin lights had been moulded into the deck between the top skin and the core. :eek: No chase, no nuthin'. It caused voids, resin pooling etc. - a really, really, really stupid idea.

Most of the rest of the wiring was strung through the bilge - another great idea.

If it hasn't been done, assume a total replacement of the electrical system is required.
 

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This is my first post on sailnet.com. I have been boating since I was a kid in the 50s' and lived aboard different sailboats for a few years in the past as well. I recently saw an early 70s Coronado 41 for sale on line for a very reasonable price and want to know the most likely problem areas. I saw several posts mention that the decks, mast step, keel attach bolts and floors are potential problem spots (like many other boats). I am handy around boats having worked on and maintained several sail and power boats over the years. The Coronado 41 looks like it would make a nice live aboard and the shoal draft model would make a nice ICW cruiser. Anyone have any other info on them? I look forward to any replys.
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Only two Coronado 41's have sold through Yacht World in the last few years. The second one had all the major work done and looks quite nice inside and out except for the engine which is a bit of a mess.
The second one is much more typical .... an 8k boat that will cost 100k to make right.
 

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