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Today was the start of the annual Around the County Race here in the San Juan Islands (http://www.oiyc.org/race_book/race_book_2008/RTC/Round_the_County_2008_SI.pdf.
The start of the race is just a little way from our marina here on Blakely Island so we always get a bunch of boats here the night before the race. This year through default, rather than choice, Laurie and I are kind of in charge of the marina because the operator left abruptly in early Sept. and the community is trying to figure out what to do long term(the homeowners lease the store and fuel operation and transient moorage from the owner). This means that we are trying to keep the bathrooms, showers and laundry clean and supplied, ice in the self service freezer, garbage cans emptied, etc as well as selling gas and diesel for an hour on Saturdays. The marina is a beautiful little place, well protected and there is a very nice cabana right on the waters edge with a big brick fireplace, picnic tables and a refrigerator for boaters use. The store is now closed so no supplies are available(http://www.blakelyisland.org/gallery/MarinaAerial.jpg ). Transient moorage is on the honor system, it's well posted and the forms and envelopes are at the front door and you just drop them through the mail slot. Generally it works very well, most people are honest and realize that it's tough for a small marina to make ends meet with such a short season around here. So the boats start arriving yesterday afternoon, I was down working on the Laurie Anne, so I move the power boat over to a small slip so there will be another easily entered 42' slip available and help with the arriving boats. In talking to the boats I assisted I told them that the store was closed and moorage slips were at the door to the store. I went down last night about 6pm to check on the place and there were only three boats payments (out of 15+ boats) so I went around the docks and cabana and reminded everyone that the moorage slips were by the door. Everyone was having a good time and there might have been a little beer being consumed :rolleyes: .
I went back to check at 9pm and there were only three more envelopes. I again went around and knocked on windows and reminded everyone about moorage (I wasn't as friendly about it this time). At 7am this morning I was down there and not a single payment had been made. I had to go around and collect from about a dozen boats and listen to how they "were just going to pay" as they were preparing to leave with engines running. To the ones that had paid early I wished them best of luck in the race, the others just good riddance.
For perspective, just the weekend before the Bellingham yacht club had their annual turkey fry in the cabana and they had 16 sailboats and every single one of them paid in advance and left the place clean.

So is there a basic difference between racers and cruisers, are racers generally a******s, or was this not a fair representation(I know you can never generalize, but just for discussion)? I've never been in a race and have never been around racers as a group.

John
 

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So sorry you had that situation, John.. it really doesn't speak well for that group at all. Certainly not something you should have to put up with.

Generally in our experience the racing crowd will always do what's "right" esp if it will maintain the conditions for said races to continue. Obviously as the marina overseer you are now not overly keen to see that event return. This is certainly not in the racing fleets' best interests.

Unfortunate, to be sure, - I sincerely hope this is not a pervasive attitude amongst racers in general, and can only say that locally we don't see that type of thing much. But all it takes is a few bad apples.

Perhaps a note or letter to the host club is in order here.
 

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Sometimes I think it's racers in general. To be honest I've not hung around too many sail boat racers either, but had a garage that was located near a drag strip, used to do a lot of work on race cars, and many of the racers who came by needing work done would pay big bucks on the parts, but would fight tooth and nail about repair costs or towing and storage fees. travelers (RV and camper crowd) would pay with no problem, mostly they'd just ask beforehand what the expected bill and timeline would be, and I'd always do my best to keep to it. Edit: where I lived it was the main route to a couple raceways, and to the blessing of the bikes, so I got a lot of through traffic, and it was almost a sure bet that the racers would try to scam on things, was a shop rule that racer's vehicles were stored inside and not placed out in the lot when finished. Ken.
 

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Faster- I may write Orcas Island Yacht Club, but I don't believe there were any local boats here, mostly from out of the immediate area ( large cities to the south of us? ), and of course, no Canadians:) .
 

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I think it's just human nature. Absent the capitalist imperative there'd have been no monies forthcoming. Reminds me of the debate over public properties versus private properties. Trust me; had you not demanded payment and the slips had been free, you'd have had a mess of trash to clean up as well! Obviously the operator was under-paid! (g)
 

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Gee, John... That's just shocking to me.

I just can't imagine skipping out on paying slip fees.

I think a letter to the editor of 48 North would be appropriate, and perhaps effective...

David
 
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....I think a letter to the editor of 48 North would be appropriate, and perhaps effective...

David
EXCELLENT idea, David!

And John, if the Orcas Is YC was the host/sponsor club, or one of them, I'm sure they'd like to know about this whether the offenders were members or not.

But David's idea is great, maybe edit your post down an tad and send it to them. No one there will condone this sort of thing.
 

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It might also help if you start a black list...

If you post the names and homeports of the boats that were the bad apples... you'll probably get better behavior out of boats in the future...

Posting the list to the marina's website and the local sailing publications, like the race results newsletter or website, would probably be most effective. Sending out a letter to other local small marinas would also be good. :)
 

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I think that's a good idea David, thanks for the suggestion, as Faster says, they won't condone that type of behavior. I have to admit that I was pretty disappointed in their attitude, there was even one guy that was whining about there not being any firewood for the fire or a grate to put over it to cook on (there was some firewood-not much, and there was a grate, as well as Weber charcoal BBQ's). I just found the whole experience disturbing, they have expensive boats, the latest of gear, kegs of beer, but they feel OK about stiffing a little marina the slip fee? What's up with that? And by the way, Sailaway, there was lot's of garbage to pick up and garbage cans overflowing right by the big dumpster. :mad:
 

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Unfortunately, just because people have boats and especially racers, that have money to spare, does not mean they have education and principles..

Money can't buy good birth education, class and honor...just buys boats, sails and teams...

I lived in Morocco for 4 years..the worse badly educated people I have ever met, were the filthy rich...

Where I come from, we call that "lack of tea"..meaning that in the old days, kids had to seat everyeday with Grandmother and mothers, while they had tea...at that time, manners and education (not school eductaion) were rubbed on us..hence the tea...

Where I come from..no hats inside, eat with fork and knife, don't slurp, don't put your feet on the table, no spitting, no loud talikng, no burping no farting...etc...just go to a restaurant, look around..manners is a thing of the past..unfortunately

Most I have seen are new money people..still no class
 

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Not sure which bunch it is, but it is unfortunate that this occured, and many will be back tonight when the finish occur to drop folks off etc.

I do know ShilShoal has a black list if you will of certain "racers" that have a tendency to be overly zealous in their attempts to not pay etc. I have not personally had any issues with staff down there when I have spent the night, but I do radio on the way in, they have info on me in there computer, come out to the boat with everything filled out but my CC#.

A LTE to 48N and a note to the hosting yacht club could be in order.

Marty
 

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Giu- I like that a lot, "lack of tea". I know that they don't realize that each homeowner writes a check each year to subsidize the marina operation, but it's really no different than walking into a store and stealing $40 worth of stuff. Hard to comprehend the mindset.

blt- maybe we just got the "blacklist" group this year because they can't go anywhere else anymore? Interesting that it seems to be racers that obviously have lot's of $. I'm kind of dreading who shows up tonight, but they will all pay, I guarantee it.

Last week I waived the slip fee for a young couple that arrived late at night in a 1966 26' plywood T-bird. We even had them down for dinner (they looked like they could use a hot meal). Nice kids. Kind of my own Obama plan to spread the wealth - jeez can't even believe I said that!:eek: (said the conservative Repub.)

Laurie just told me that after telling them they didn't need to pay she found a check the next morning. That's class. JD
 

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JRD—

Apparently, the young couple may not have the fanciest boat or the most money, but the probably had the most class of the bunch. :) You're a good egg for taking care of them. Good acts generally bring you good karma... so keep it up. :)
 

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I have no sympathy and zero tolerance for people that can't seem to live by the rules. I'm sure the rates were not adjusted (ie raised) for them as I've heard/seen some marinas do for special events. It really bothers me to hear that well over 50% would think they could trash the place and get away without paying.

If it were me...

1) Write down the Reg. numbers and boat names (I'd even go so far as to take a digital picture of each new boat as I came across them)
2) I'd remind them, as you did, several times of the amount and how to pay
3) If I found out someone didn't pay...
3)a. Call the YC or race committee and give them 48 hours to make contact or restitution
3)b. Call the Sheriff

I wouldn't hesitate in writing the YC/Race Committee and 48North NOW! In preparation for next year's event, I'd write the Race Committee two months in advance and see if they're willing to pre-pay for a set number of slips to include a cleaning deposit of some sort. They might surprise you and jump at the opportunity.

I know this post sounds like I'm a hard-a$$, but I really am a nice guy and try to help people out as much as I can. I just get really mad when I hear others trying to take advantage of things, make unnecessary work for others, and skate off without paying their fair share.

Skipper, J/36 "Zero Tolerance"
 

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Charlie,

any other answers from folks at SA? Saw one post where a person said, ok too cheat the port of seattle, ie shilshoal, but a mom and pop like this one was bad! tells what type of person that one was!

Marty
 

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There are a few marinas like Blakely in the PNW and if we do not support them they will not be there for us in the future. We are already short of marinas here, why make the shortage worse? Yes, some people have no class and should be blacklisted. My wife & I are marina rats, we depend on them because we do not enjoy anchoring. They usually take our names, boat ID and visa numbers so that next time I phone for reservations we are in their system and they pull up our past file, it simplifies the process, also makes us traceable. We have been to Blakely once, stayed the night while on the way to Rosario, very clean, very nice quaint little place, we will likely stop there again in the future provided it is still there. Sure wish boaters would support these places.
 

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Charlie,

any other answers from folks at SA? Saw one post where a person said, ok too cheat the port of seattle, ie shilshoal, but a mom and pop like this one was bad! tells what type of person that one was!

Marty
Yeah, I saw that. I'm about ready to out them in the general forum instead of just the RTC thread. Pi$$es me off it does.:hothead
 
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