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Okay,

Imagine a bonehead looking at 3 boats for coastal cruising. They are all in the right price range for saidhead, and the just right below-deck config for the old lady and the kids. They are the right type for the generally coastal cruiser kind of thang, and tough as hell to protect me where my blatant ignorance will rear its ugly head.

The boats are:

-Gulfstar 41 CC (30 years old but nice)
-Irwin 43 CC (20 years old and really nice)
-Morgan N/M 454 Centerboard Cutter (25 years old and close to really nice)

Personally, I'm diggin' on the Morgan - hard. It's fast - and supa pimpin'. And, of course, my friend digs that. The Gulfstar, on the other hand, is a freakin' tank. But I've heard stories. And the Irwin is a pretty sweet deal - and a CC. So it's got some love too.

My friend'll be going from Texas to Mexico (as soon as the drug lords finish each other off) - or, if he really grows a pair - to Florida and down to the islands for cheap rum.

What would you do? What....would.....you....do? And why?

BTW - this is for a close friend. Not me. of course. Just a friend...that's not me.
 

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The Morgan first

Then the Gulfstar (how well finished is it ?)

Maybe the Irwin (these boats were made to sell at a certain price-point)
 

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So I'll chime in a bit for our friend Smack. Why ?????
 

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Old shoe # what ever! NONE of the above. Maybe a First 40.7 or 44.7, or some other boat that will sail!

Oh wait, you did not ask for that opinion didn't you?!?!?!:R:R:R

Marty
 

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Old shoe # what ever! NONE of the above. Maybe a First 40.7 or 44.7, or some other boat that will sail!
Nah, forget about the Tupperware boats. Get a real boat.

Go for the Morgan.
 

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Old shoe # what ever! NONE of the above. Maybe a First 40.7 or 44.7, or some other boat that will sail!

Oh wait, you did not ask for that opinion didn't you?!?!?!:R:R:R

Marty
Marty, here are the New England PHRF rating for the Morgan

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=284 border=0><TBODY><TR height=17><TD height=17>MORGAN 45-4 CB</TD><TD>81</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=284 border=0><TBODY><TR height=17><TD height=17>BENETEAU 407</TD><TD>54</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=284 border=0><TBODY><TR height=17><TD height=17>BENETEAU 44.7</TD><TD>33</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

For a Morgan this one sails!
 

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Trading in the Smacktanic???

Sorry thats right its for a 'friend' :)

I would go for the Irwin, with the Morgan coming in second cause I'm into centre Cockpits and don't really do centreboards....

So umm when are we heading for the islands and the cheap rum?? :) :) :)
I have never been too the Caribbean Smack.....I'll do the night watch if I can take the Aft Berth?? :) :) :)
 

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Big boats if you're new to sailing.
 

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SmackDaddy's friend is named SmackDaddy oddly enough.. ;)
 

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Man, Dog, you are one smart dude figuring that out this quickly! Anyway - Smackdaddy's just my sockpuppet.

Thanks for the feedback guys. The Morgan does seem to be a very nice ride - although I was actually trying to focus on CC's. I've also been leery of the whole centerboard thing - but haven't heard many horror stories on the N/M 45.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

(davidpm - what do you mean "why"? To boldly go, baby!)
 

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I would opt for the Irwin, all things equal. However, depending on when it was laid up (a Monday or a Friday), the hull could be a mess. We hvae one in our yard right now that has major issues that they are not even sure peeling will fix. THey left air voids when laying up the glass originally.

If the hull is in good condition, then the Irwin. As a cruiser, you could care less (kinda, to a point) about speed. That might make you push for the Morgan, but at 30yo, I would imagine there could be more issues associated with it. Again, this is all things equal (which they never are), I would opt for comfort. The Gulfstar might be able to provide that, but the two I have been on did not impress me (though I do not remember the specifics why now... sorry, at least I am honest).

We met sevreal couples on Irwins that were doing the islands/cruising. Seemed a good boat and they were happy. I am not sure I would limit my search strictly to those boats, but I think the Irwin in capable hands would make the thorny path.

My opinions.

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Bubb,

I would say the morgan does have potential. How about if we throw in a SC52? -18 or there abouts local here in Puget sound! one has hit low 20 knots a few time racing.

I would swag smacky is not looking for pure fun, some comfort thrown in too.......

Marty
 

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I would opt for the Irwin, all things equal. However, depending on when it was laid up (a Monday or a Friday), the hull could be a mess. We hvae one in our yard right now that has major issues that they are not even sure peeling will fix. THey left air voids when laying up the glass originally.

If the hull is in good condition, then the Irwin. As a cruiser, you could care less (kinda, to a point) about speed. That might make you push for the Morgan, but at 30yo, I would imagine there could be more issues associated with it. Again, this is all things equal (which they never are), I would opt for comfort. The Gulfstar might be able to provide that, but the two I have been on did not impress me (though I do not remember the specifics why now... sorry, at least I am honest).

We met sevreal couples on Irwins that were doing the islands/cruising. Seemed a good boat and they were happy. I am not sure I would limit my search strictly to those boats, but I think the Irwin in capable hands would make the thorny path.

My opinions.

- CD
Thanks CD. That's good info on the Irwin. I'm not necessarily limiting my options to these 3. I've just come across them in looking around. I've also come across a couple of Bene's and like them generally...but they both had a lot of problems with the headliners, leaking, etc. Made me a little wary.

I'm actually with you on the comfort thing. I really want my family to be as into sailing as I am and comfort is important to them. Along those lines, the full fore and aft berths are important.

So - we'll see.
 

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Smackdaddy,

Does your "friend" have a price range associated with his boat search?
 

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He was thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of......

ONE THOOOUUUUUUUSAND DOLLARS.

 

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He was thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of......

ONE THOOOUUUUUUUSAND DOLLARS.


A thousand dollars, eh? In that case, let me suggest a different boat:

Forget the Irwin and go with a canoe. It will give you less maintenance problems, a newer model, and a great draft to take you everywhere. Plus (and a huge plus), upside down it will serve as a great home under the bridge you will be sleeping in when the wife kicks your butt out.

- CD
 
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