[Barquito]

Cruising World Magazine and Sail Magazine both have pictures of the same boat this month. I am surprised the photographer sold images from the same shoot to two different magazines. They are two different pictures, but, same photographer.

 

[SHNOOL]

Yeah, I guess sailing truly IS a small circle.

It could be worse, they could have had a typo on their headline

I should mention that your boat is drop dead gorgeous...

 

[JonEisberg]

Yeah, I guess sailing truly IS a small circle.

It could be worse, they could have had a typo on their headline

Even worse, it could have been an Average White Production Boat...

I guarantee this was not the fault of the photographer... Billy Black has a long-standing and very sweet deal with CRUISING WORLD, and Billy is as honorable and diligent a guy as can possibly be found in the business, an absolutely great guy, and the consummate professional...

My guess would be that he originally shot that for Morris Yachts, and it might have been one of those images provided to SAIL "courtesy of Morris Yachts", as is so often done by manufacturers and charter companies, and the photographer never learns of its use until after the fact...

 

[SloopJonB]

I don't get the point of this thread. Pro photographers are in the business of selling pictures of things. If it was the exact same shot I could see it being ethical to advise the second buyer, especially since they are both sailing mags but otherwise?

I don't see it.

 

[Dfok]

Cruising World Magazine and Sail Magazine both have pictures of the same boat this month. I am surprised the photographer sold images from the same shoot to two different magazines. They are two different pictures, but, same photographer.

Congratulations to the photographer for the great sales effort, and to you for seeing and recognizing the similar images.
There is a better than even chance both magazines saved money by not asking for or even thinking about exclusivity.
They need to fill spaces between the press releases and the ads, thats pretty much it these days.

 

[rnixon]

Cruising World Magazine and Sail Magazine both have pictures of the same boat this month. I am surprised the photographer sold images from the same shoot to two different magazines. They are two different pictures, but, same photographer.

Is it a nice boat? Are they good photos?

 

[JonEisberg]

Congratulations to the photographer for the great sales effort, and to you for seeing and recognizing the similar images.

There is a better than even chance both magazines saved money by not asking for or even thinking about exclusivity.

I'm pretty sure neither Mark Pillsbury, Peter Nielsen, nor Billy Black is pleased by the fact their 2 covers are virtually identical... Some folks up in Bass Harbor, Maine, are likely the only ones getting a chuckle out of this one

And, neither publication would pay extra for "Exclusivity" for those shots, they are the sort of typical fare that would rate the standard payment for each magazine's cover shot...

This was a mistake or oversight, no doubt about it... The standard agreement that a photographer signs with Bonnier (publishers of CW) stipulates that a "substantially similar" image used on their covers may not be used on any other magazine cover not published by Bonnier...

Over the past 2 decades, the rights of photographers have been more seriously eroded than those of cruisers wanting to anchor in Florida, these days...

 

[MikeOReilly]

I'm pretty sure neither Mark Pillsbury, Peter Nielsen, nor Billy Black is pleased by the fact their 2 covers are virtually identical... Some folks up in Bass Harbor, Maine, are likely the only ones getting a chuckle out of this one

And, neither publication would pay extra for "Exclusivity" for those shots, they are the sort of typical fare that would rate the standard payment for each magazine's cover shot...

This was a mistake or oversight, no doubt about it... The standard agreement that a photographer signs with Bonnier (publishers of CW) stipulates that a "substantially similar" image used on their covers may not be used on any other magazine cover not published by Bonnier...

Over the past 2 decades, the rights of photographers have been more seriously eroded than those of cruisers wanting to anchor in Florida, these days...

Well said Jon. Freelance photographers, writers, designers, etc. are the people who produce the vast majority of "content" in most magazines (both print and online). But over the past 35 years we have faced a continual assault on our incomes and on our rights (and no, this has little to do with the Internet). Publishers like Bonnier no longer give a rat's @ss about the freelancers they work with; it's only about rights and money -- they get all the rights, and we get a shrinking amount of $$$. In that light, freelancers have no choice but to license as much to as many as we can. As long as the freelancer was careful not sell the same license to the different publishers, then I say good on him!

That said, I'm sure both the photog and the editors are embarrassed and bothered by this situation. It makes everyone look amateurish.

 

[nolesailor]

I also noticed this on the covers of both magazines...but after Sail's cover (and now Cruising World's), I have to admit...I'm tired of seeing that same red Morris 48GT (it's a beautiful boat, by the way)...and it's not limited to just these two covers and these last two magazines...for those that read them, think back...I've been seeing this same exact red Morris for months now...in all sorts of articles...I know the red is distinctive, and if it was white (or black) I probably wouldn't have been able to tell its the same boat...I can understand using the same boat in Morris' ads in the magazine, but for the magazines to continuously use the exact same boat...not a fan of it...

 

[TomMaine]

20 years ago, when these two print media titans were slugging it out on every newstand I'd see, wouldn't this have been a "heads will roll" situation?

Today with publications catering more and more to their online readers - out of necessity, this may not be that serious a problem. Emblematic of dwindling print, it's only a part of 'media' today.

Unless somebody posts the covers here, I won't likely see them but I'll probably read an article or two by both, online.

 

[SHNOOL]

I had to google the picture to see what you folks are talking about... Why?
Because I don't get cruising world Magazine, or SAIL.
I do, however, like them on FB, and I'll admit that the picture probably WAS there.

So what I am saying is, for all the media content makers, I am personally sorry... Because I'm the reason you aren't getting paid as much. I submit though that perhaps me with my under $20,000 30+ year old boat, I wasn't really a target market anyway.

 

[JonEisberg]

Unless somebody posts the covers here, I won't likely see them but I'll probably read an article or two by both, online.

Damn, Tom, you're a lazy bastard... )

 

[weinie]

Even more embarrassing, I think, are the Gunboat ads featuring Rainmaker, which is floating somewhere in the north Atlantic.

 

[JonEisberg]

Even more embarrassing, I think, are the Gunboat ads featuring Rainmaker, which is floating somewhere in the north Atlantic.

Yup, you've sure got that right, with the possible exception that we don't know whether she's still floating, or not Although, that partly goes to show how much further in advance of deadline ad space might be sold, as opposed to some of the editorial content...

Haven't gotten my CW yet, but in the latest SAIL, there's the double page RAINMAKER spread on pg 7-8, and on pg 14 in the SAILFEED column, there's that photo of RM's crew wearing sweatsuits and Cheshire Cat grins, posing with their rescuers...

Ooops...

Although, Gunboat might still be better off sticking with the ads that feature Billy Black's beautiful images of RAINMAKER, than any that might feature their ugly-a$$ vinyl-wrapped Hull #2...

 

[MikeOReilly]

I also noticed this on the covers of both magazines...but after Sail's cover (and now Cruising World's), I have to admit...I'm tired of seeing that same red Morris 48GT (it's a beautiful boat, by the way)...and it's not limited to just these two covers and these last two magazines...for those that read them, think back...I've been seeing this same exact red Morris for months now...in all sorts of articles...

I smell a paid advertorial campaign .

BTW, I don't blame readers for the attack on freelancers. The reason freelancers get paid crap these days has little to do with the overall economics of publishing. It has everything to do with media ownership concentration, and the absolute dominance of profit over all other values. The decline in rates paid, and indeed the squeeze on editorial staff, has been going on for decades ... long before the rise of online and the dramatic decline in advertising revenue.

 

[TomMaine]

Damn, Tom, you're a lazy bastard... )

Ohh,...that is awkward... But at least, they're not the EXACT same image. At first I thought they photoshopped out the lobster buoy on the SAIL image(all so easy to do, today).

But you can see the SAIL image captures the essence of rocky topped Mt. Dessert in the background. However, the image looks a bit over color saturated to me, and the shadows and contrast on the Morris are a little stark for my eye(or screen?). On the other hand, who coined that old magazine adage, the cover shot should knock you on your ass? This one might grab me from a distance.

The Cruising World image is more about the Morris. Larger advertiser? Better balance between lights and darks, softer contrast, especially on the sails. I think they did a better job manipulating the image. On the other hand, today, I'd suspect they're saving ink.

 

[SloopJonB]

I haven't read either of those rags for more than two decades. I still have my Sail mags from the 70's as historical reference but during the 80's it turned into nothing but clothes, gadgets & charter crap. CW faded away in the same period into being little more than an advertising rag. Any "real" content in either of them was so short it was all but meaningless.

A pox on both their houses.

 

[Faster]

I haven't read either of those rags for more than two decades. I still have my Sail mags from the 70's as historical reference but during the 80's it turned into nothing but clothes, gadgets & charter crap. CW faded away in the same period into being little more than an advertising rag. Any "real" content in either of them was so short it was all but meaningless.

A pox on both their houses.

Do you still get Pacific Yachting? I quit buying it for similar reasons.. I remember when the realty ads were 2 inches of column space.. now several pages.

 

[SloopJonB]

Nope - all I get now are GOB and the British Practical Boat Owner. Sometime WoodenBoat.

When I got my PCOC it came with a years membership in CPS and subscriptions to PY and CY. I skimmed the first couple of issues and from then on they just went straight into the recycling.

I can't understand why anyone would buy them - what would they be looking for? Overpriced island real estate? A test of the latest Hunter?

 

[miatapaul]

I haven't read either of those rags for more than two decades. I still have my Sail mags from the 70's as historical reference but during the 80's it turned into nothing but clothes, gadgets & charter crap. CW faded away in the same period into being little more than an advertising rag. Any "real" content in either of them was so short it was all but meaningless.

A pox on both their houses.

I used to have a free subscription to Cruising World and enjoyed it, but not enough to pay for it. I won a Facebook drawing from them, so I likely will subscribe and it is really cheap by the year (like $12 or something like that) as I do like my Musto MPX foulies. I usually read the "Classic Plastic" reviews first.

I currently get a free subscription to Sail, and it is OK, enjoy reading it on the can. I hope some of the rest of the family will read it and get the bug. I would not pay for it. Funny thing is that there DIY articles are all but useless. They had a two part one on painting a boat, and the first one basically said Prep is the most important, so prep. But went into no detail as to how to do the prep, why bother with a two parter, just write two paragraphs. I have not started reading the second part yet, but do not expect to gain any more knowledge at all. But I do like the "expert" columns some useful info there.

Good old boat is good, and I buy it every issue. I keep meaning to pick up a Practical Boat Owner, as it looks good. But it is hard to find.