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Here is an excerpt from a sailboat for sale ad:
"Informed capable principals please.
2005 36 Ft C and C 110 Racer - Cruiser $ 129,999 "

I'm looking for a sailboat. Something my wife and I can sail around San Diego and southern CA, maybe down to Mexico or out to Catalina. The better situated marinas here are getting very picky about vessel age and condition. Some won't even accept applications if the boat is over 25 years old. So I'm looking for a newer boat. We'd like comfort and are not really interested in speed, though I'm not trying to avoid speed, either. Probably just wouldn't use it as the designer intended.

I sailed a lot in the 1980s, but rarely since and I'm pretty rusty. I do have a habit of becoming competent at whatever I do. So that brings me to the question: what do you think they mean by "informed capable"? What special information is required to buy this boat and how capable does one need to be to buy a C&C 110?

It looks like a nice boat, well equipped, well maintained and is within our price range. But the owner seems to be a bit on his ego or something and I don't know if he'd even talk to a lowlife non-racer like me.

We looked at a 44' (52' overall) schooner and the owner took my wife and I out for a 4 hour sail. I was a little tired afterwards, but we could handle that boat, just the two of us. Makes it hard to understand what could be so hard about a 36' sloop. Racer-cruiser or not. Yeah, I know they are very different boats, but the smaller sloop sure looks easy to me compared to the larger schooner. It is rigged for single-handed sailing, so it's not like a deck ape is required to spend the whole cruise scrambling around outside of the cockpit. Is there something I don't understand here?

Is the boat worth the bother of dealing with a FSBO like this?

Oh, here's the ad, if it is allowed to post CL ad links here: C&C 110

Finally, if there is a better forum to post this in, please let me know. I may ask about other boats, too, so I'd prefer to get it in the right place and not annoy people.

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I think the seller (from his/her perspective) is trying to avoid tire-kickers and dreamers.
It's why I've shied away from FSBOs. They often know nothing about selling. You always get a lot of tire kickers for any higher end purchase. (This may be a 2005 boat, but it ain't no row boat.) It's just part of sales. If he doesn't like it he should hire a broker.

Maybe the boat is good but I think I'll stay away from it. The seller doesn't seem easy to deal with.

I'm still curious about the racer-cruiser issue. Is there some reason that I should avoid them if I'm not interested in racing?

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Seller is not limiting actual buyers
just trying to discourage time-wasting contacts from people that are "just browsing"
Oh yes he is. This buyer, at least. I've seen this ad for a while now and I think he may have just lowered his price a lot. So he is failing to sell it for whatever reason. Everyone is just a potential buyer until the sale closes. The set of boat buyers who knows exactly what they want - year, make and model - and will accept it in any condition is vanishingly small. Everyone else is browsing. Looking for that right boat. I am 100% in the market for a boat and have ready cash. I wouldn't even have to borrow money or wait for an investment to sell to pay for this one. It only takes one buyer, but he has "limited" this potential buyer away from his boat.

SchockT has answered my question about difficulty. It doesn't sound like it's likely too difficult to sail once you get used to it, especially being rigged for single-handed sailing already. I find it hard to imagine that a 36' sloop is going to be more of a handful than a much larger schooner unless I'm trying to race it, which I won't. And I liked what I saw in the ad and read about this model on other sites. So I might have been his buyer. But I'm going to keep looking elsewhere rather than try to deal with someone who may be an excellent sailor, but knows nothing about selling. I think he'll probably make the purchase another nightmare. I'm just getting over one bizarre FSBO and I think I just need to stick with broker boats.

But thanks to SchockT I will not worry about whether it is a cruiser or a racer-cruiser. I'll just look for one that I like that is safe to leave the bay in.

Here are a few that I am thinking about. I'd be interested in opinions of them for my purposes (sailing in and around San Diego and maybe down to Mexico or out to Catalina). If my selections seem a bit varied, it is because I do not already have a specific make and model in mind, so I need to "browse" until I find what I want. When I find it, I will buy it. I would like to be able to do as much sail handling as possible from within the cockpit as I am getting old and injuries take much longer to heal than they used to.

Tartan 3400
Marlow-Hunter 37 This one has the main sheet traveler on top of an arch, keeping the cockpit less cluttered. How reliable is an arrangement like this?
C&C 115 This is similar to the one in the CL ad, but a couple feet longer. Is it feasible to move this one's traveler onto the top of an arch? Seems like it would need to be a pretty sturdy one.

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Anyone can flag a Craigslist ad for removal. You're only supposed to do it for violating the rules, but there are plenty of rules. For this guy it's most likely that he either put key words in his ad or was rude to someone who inquired about the boat. (It wasn't me!)
 

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I owned a 2002 C&C 110 from 2013 to 2021 (sold in May of this year). I am biased but they are great boats. Fast, comfortable, well made, well designed, safe, reliable, etc. I'm not familiar with the boat you are considering, but that price is very high. I find it hard to believe a 110 would sell for more than $!00K.
Thanks. Those are very helpful.

stated that you felt comfortable managing a 44' schooner with just you and your wife. Yes I believe that two experienced people could sail a boat of that size. But, can you dock the boat, get into or our of a slip, with a crosswind, with just two people? How heavy are the sails? Can you bend on the sails or remove them by yourself? Does the boat have powered winches, a bow thruster, or other features to make it easier to handle?
Lotta questions for my little cell phone keyboard.
The schooner displaces 32,000 lbs and has sail area of 1200 to 1300sf. That compares to your Junneau at 773. Both according to sailboatdata.com. The schooner has 4 sails and the Junneau two. So while the main on the schooner is probably a little bit larger than yours it is probably in the same ballpark. That's kind of the point of schooners, lots of smaller and more manageable sails so they can be sailed short handed. I said I was a little tired after our sail, but that was from raising and lowering the sails with manual winches. I was not sore the next day, so it wasn't that hard. And I could really use the exercise! I partly grew up on a small farm when teenage labor was still cheaper than the more specialized equipment. And I was a long distance rower for many years and miles (over 17,000). I'm still fairly strong for my size, though the covid lock downs really fattened me up and I have yet to lose it. I also worked on tugs and crewed on a 131' schooner back in the '80s. So I'm pretty used to hard work and still think it feels good from time to time.

There was a stiff afternoon crosswind across the slip and docking could have gone a little better. A bowthruster is on the list of things to add after we buy. If we buy, which is not highly likely and is why I'm here asking about other boats.
 

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36-38 footers are a very convenient size, in that they offer a lot of accommodations yet are small enough to be easily handled short handed without specialized equipment.
A glance at the other links I posted would show that I'm mostly looking in that size range. I only mentioned the schooner to illustrate that a racer is unlikely to be all that difficult to sail. To race and win would be very hard for a newbie, of course, but not just to sail around and enjoy. Every boat has its little idiosyncrasies to learn. I'm sure I can learn any of them that affect me and probably won't bother with those that don't. I'm mostly trying to learn whether I should bother looking at racer/cruisers. It sounds like this model is probably overpriced for my needs even if it is reasonably priced as a racer.

So what about that Marlow-Hunter I mentioned? (Marlow-Hunter 37) I somehow got the idea that Hunters were pretty low on the quality totem pole, but that Marlow had improved them quite a bit with their new designs. Don't know how much truth there is to either part of that. Any opinions on it? I actually know the listing broker, but don't know how forthcoming he would be with negative opinions if he had them.
 
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