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Let the wind pull the sail across. Thank you sir. I'll try that. On a few occasions that happened by accident.... meaning it happened before I could get to the sheet.
 

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A couple quick thoughts here:

First of all Spiral,

Do not let anyone dampen your enthusiasm. We all learn to sail in our own ways. There is no one size fits all way right way to learn to sail. My family and I learned to sail back in the 1960's when there wasn't ASA courses or an internet. We read a book called "The Golden Book of Sailing", which was very simple and similar to the Red Cross book that you read. We went on to read a lot more over time.

My Dad then bought a 25 footer, and the first day that we went out, we did not know enough to realize just how much of wildly gusty day it was. My Dad had the sense to put the small jib on the boat, out we went, raised the jib and mainsail, and went sailing. It would be easy to argue that we probably should not have been out there. It was a day when the America's Cup 12 meter 'Constellation' lost her mast near where we were sailing. And at one point we jibed over in what was probably around 20 knots of wind to stand station with a 'Dragon', which had broken its boom until a powerboat took him in tow.

Like you, my Dad was methodical as he tried each new thing. We actually safely jibed in those conditions. I still recall that as we were jibing and as my father did each step of the jibe, he verbally described the process just as he had learned it from the book; turn almost down wind, hobble the jib (tighten the jib sheets on both sides of the boat to center the clew of the jib), bring in the mainsail, turn slowly across the wind, let out the mainsheet slowly once it crosses, and then ease the weather jib sheet. A big grin crossed his face as we turned up to our new course on the other side of the jibe and roared off towards the boat in trouble.

It sounds like you are doing all of the right things; you are taking it slow and carefully-one step at a time, you are reading, you bought a boat which is small enough and responsive enough and a model which sails well enough that it will tell you when you are making mistakes, you are being introspective enough to learn from your mistakes and also learn from what you did right, you are reaching out to more experienced sailors with questions and comments so that you can benefit from their collective knowledge, and you have kept your sense of humor. You should feel very good about what you have done so far.

Regarding putting covers or rollers on your outboard shrouds, it can be done, but it should not be necessary. When the jib sheet leads (the blocks on the tracks in the foreground of your photo) are in the correct position, and the sail is adjusted properly, the loaded side of the sail should barely touch (or not touch at all) the leeward shroud. In other words, there should not be chafe. No matter what you do, there will be a little friction as the jib and its sheets slide over the shrouds during a tack. But if you learn to coil the sheets so they are free to run, wait until the jib starts to luff and completely release the old working sheet from the winch so it is completely free to run, allow the jib to blow through as suggested above, taking the slack out of the new working sheet as it comes across, then tacking will be easier and you should not require covers or rollers on your shrouds.

Do not be afraid to do things a step at a time. Do not worry that you don't do things perfectly, even us old dogs do silly things at times, but pay attention to what you are doing, don't get cavalier and go with you instincts if something seems dangerous, don't do it. We are all rooting for you, even the naysayers.

Jeff
 

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Disclaimer (ignorance?)

I've been doing some more reading which leads me to a disclaimer about my previous stated speed of 7 knots. A few sources I read say 7knots would be rare. Supposedly 1.34*SQRT(LWL) = maximum hull speed which is about 6knots.

Maybe I did something wrong? My GPS reads 8mph which is obviously ground speed, doesn't read decimals so I don't know if that was 7.50mph or 8.49mph. So the disclaimer is 7knots = 8mph GPS ground speed maximum attained, not average. I was sailing into the wind, probably close reach. If I find out I did something wrong I'll edit my previous post.



Jeff_H:
Thank you sir. That was extremely helpful both technically and encouraging!
 

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8 mph= 6.95 knots which is a pretty unlikely speed for a SJ-23 close reaching; 4 to maybe 5 knots would be more likely if you were optimized and in the right breeze you might hit 6 knots. I would not worry about speed at this point. There is time for that. I don't know why your GPS read as it did since its unlikely that there would be current in a lake.

I think that I may have sailed a regatta on Lake Murray back in the 1970's. Are there vertical inlets that rise out of the lake not too far from a small sailing club?

Jeff
 

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Personally, it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing and you could be a danger to yourself or others around you. One of the big gripes I have with this forum is that people enable people like yourself with nice comments rather than a good swift kick in the a** to understand the boats functionality and basic safety measures, like an accidental jibe.

Oh please, get over yourself, they are having fun sailing and learning.
 

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XSrcing: HA! That's great. I'm glad my redneck rant was effective. :)

I plan to research controlling the mainsheet some more.... and learn a few knots before this weekend. The slip expires so we'll be bringing the SJ23 back home Saturday after another outing. I've got my eye on Lake Jocassee and maybe Keowee which are 30 and 25 miles closer to home and both off the interstate which my old Dodge should appreciate. I can't say at the moment how many times we'll sail over the winter but it'd be an opportune time to recover the 35 year old upholstery, rewire the solar charger and either install a chart plotter or fix the knotmeter and depth finder. I'm told the original knotmeters never worked that well anyway.

Till later.
 

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Dude, you sail on a lake. Don't waste money on a chartplotter. Learn to read a chart. That money can be better spent on many other things. Most lakes you can learn by heart in a few hours unless of course your on the Great Lakes. Learn to sail without all the electronic gizmos. It will serve you well in the future. Trust me.
 

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Bleemus:

:) an objective argument that clears my head of fancy electronic gizmos. Thank you sir, as you have pointed out that would be a bit of an overkill wouldn't it?

I'd really like to fix or replace the depth sounder. It seems that may be a worthy investment, or a preventative measure for incompetence.
 

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Good choice. Depth sounder and speedo are great tools that are inexpensive and not prone to failure. Spend the money you save on the chartplotter and get a good chart, dividers and parallel rules.
 

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Azguy

Thank you sir. That's a beautiful boat!
I have some short pieces on the shrouds that come on the boat, however they need to be much longer, maybe 4ft.

I'll do it. It'll be some safety until I get the blocks on, or get a proper technique.
 

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We had a nice fairly relaxing day sailing today. The winds were low, <=4mph while maximum cruising speed for the day was 4.1mph according to a gps/boat application my wife downloaded on her phone. We only made it out 3.5 miles then turned back as the sun set.

We sailed on a run all the way back to the dock. I had a hard time convincing my wife we were moving :) No wind, no wake, the waves stood still beside the boat, just dead calm. We did cover the distance back in record time however since jibes weren't required. I tuned on the sails for some time eventually giving up on and putting away the jib since it wouldn't stay inflated. 2-2.7mph on a run.... had a couple unintentional boom swings on the run while steering around in the wind for efficiency, but I anticipated this, so we were ready for it. I didn't get out the spinnaker since I know nothing about it's setup.

We loaded the SJ23 on the trailer and brought her home since the previous owner's slip expires tomorrow. I'll look around another, maybe on Lake Murray, but I'd like to sail a couple of the other lakes around here first. Besides, that particular slip was a dump.

We're going to take a break for a couple weekends. I'll be reading and researching as much as possible until then. We have quite a list of people that want to go out for a sail.
 

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Oh, man overboard drills next time out now that the basics have been realized(?). This is very important to me.
 

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Revive an old post! Really this is to let all the nice people that have offered advice know we're still alive and still have the SJ23.

We took her out the last weekend. It took a little long for the first sail this year as we replaced all the wood on the deck, the motor mount, added a depth finder with GPS, replaced the annoying cabinway split panels with two lift off hinged doors and replaced all the cushion foam and upholstery during this spring. There's still a lot to do.

We really sailed in wind too high for our skill level, but we realized some record speeds and had some fun. My head met the boom for the first time and we covered a LOT of water, at least a lot more than we're used to. Weather permitting, we'll take her out again this weekend. :)

I really like this hobby. It's not quite as relaxing as I thought, but we'll get there.
 

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Hey spiral_72 glad you are enjoying sailing. A suggestion to you is when you are talking about distances and speeds you should use nautical terminology, you should be speaking the same language as other sailors. So you should refer to wind or boat speed in knots (nautical miles per hour), and you should refer to distances in nm or nautical miles. You and your posts will be better received if people feel you are speaking their language. So if your GPS has boat or nautical mode you should make sure the speed and distance units are set for knots and nm so you can get used to referring to your speed and the wind conditions in these terms and set your own mental frame of reference in terms of what ten knots of wind, or 4 knots of boat speed, feel or look like.
 

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Congratulations. I've been working on my 16 foot boat getting it ready to go in the water. In June we are going to Vancouver British Columbia for a cruise and learn sailing Charter on a 31 foot Hunter.
June huh? Man that sounds fantastic! That's close enough now you should be hyped!!

......A suggestion to you is when you are talking about distances and speeds you should use nautical terminology.....
Ah! A very good point. Thank you. I'll try to do that. Nautical units of measurement mean nothing to me.... now. I suppose it's time to fix that :)
 

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A great day sailing today. This morning I made pancakes on the Coleman stove with a topping of local fresh peaches. The weather was nice at about 85F, cloudy, winds 7-15mph with some heavy gusts, but steady throughout the day. The wind was heaviest in the morning. Near as I can tell we covered 8.4 mile in 3.5hrs past Dreher Island (finally). We anchored in a nice cove which I later found out was Shealy airport on Lake Murray, had lunch then decided to head back about 2pm. With the wind at are backs, mainsail only we sailed to the dock realizing a GPS top speed of 5.9knot (6.8mph), with an average of roughly 4.5 knot (5.2mph). That's rolling if you ask me! back in ahead of schedule.
 

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Probably be my last post to this thread. I've gleaned quite a lot of knowledge from it. Thank you to you all!

Tomorrow I plan to sail the farthest yet at 15 miles to a sail club on Murray. The decision come from frustration where I currently rent a slip. Power boats go through at 50mph and my boat is getting all beat up, besides we've had some close calls when docking from the waves so I'm out. The winds are supposed to be favorable, sailing down wind with 8mph winds. The weather is calling for 96F - 100F which I'm not overly excited about.

Thank you again!
 
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