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Fishing - Whats your Tricks?? 🐟🐠🎣🪝🐠🐟

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I'm the worlds worst fisherman. In my whole circumnavigation I only caught 5 fish, including one so scary I cut it off, one half eaten by a shark, one full of parasites. So how is it that some people troll a line and catch a fish before anchoring and manage to clean it without destroying the cockpit?

Your fishing ability must be better than mine, so how do you do it? Whats your tips and tricks so we can all bring home dinner?
Are you more successful trolling or when at anchor?

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I've had a lot of luck with a popeil pocket fisherman, 20 lb test line and a ST-36 treble hook. Until the supermarket seafood department got a court order.
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I long have long noticed that when out sailing I pass a LOT of boats out fishing, but very rarely ever see them catch any.

So just as sailing is the most expensive way to travel slowly, fishing from a sailboat is the most expensive way to eat fish.

I have this book "Fishing for Cruisers". Have had it 4 years and have not finished as it seems waaaaay too complex to catch a fish.
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Troll a squid looking thing any time you're underway. Yes, you will lose some to sharks; off Arno atoll we were losing 90% of bait and fish to sharks.

At anchor, you can bottom fish for flatfish (sole, etc.) if on sand. Great fillets, they you throw the bones in the oven till crispy and they're like potato chips. Triggerfish are spectacular, gut them and throw them whole on the BBQ.

Cleaning, well, that's on deck or in the cockpit. I have learned not to sit on the seat and lean way over to clean the fish on the floor, really bad for the back. But "cleaning" generally consists of gutting only. Take the head off if you must. Then throw the whole fish, or steaks, on the BBQ skin and all.
Ah !!!!!. Fish. Yes a topic close to my heart.
I drop lines over as soon as I am in a location to avoid other traffic.
On a usual day sail I will have 3 lines out with different lures.
At 25 foot I travel a slowly.. Too fast will not bring in the fish. This is my rationale for having a small boat.
1. Water temperature.
2. Boat speed .
3. Fish on the bite.

No fish around and nothing will bring them aboard.

Off the south coast of Java was primo.
Here in Japan is not so shabby either.

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you throw the bones in the oven till crispy and they're like potato chips.
I've never heard that before!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that all fish? Or Sole?

That would certainly be a healthy alternative to potato chips. :)


Mark
Green or pink bubblehead/chugger skirts for mahi. Black and red for wahoo. Big yellow feather jig for tuna (blackfin, skipjack, yellowfin). Yo yo with 200# mono (or better) and a good bunjee to absorb the strike. Have a spare yo yo and line, because you're going to occasionally sacrifice your rig to a billfish that is NOT going to cooperate. You can't keep a blue or white marlin anyway. And they don't eat well. Problems with sargassum of late, but if you're cruising and see something floating, get out the spinning gear and cast on it with anything shiny, squiddy, etc. Sometimes there's fish stacked 30' deep under a floater. We've caught mahi, wahoo and tuna off floating refrigerators, pallets and on one occasion a sunning humpback.

Carry a long handled gaff. You don't need a big-jawed gaff, just something that you can hook the fish with and get it onto the boat. A green wahoo, tuna or mahi will make your cockpit look like a battleground if you don't thump it hard several times in the head or bleed it before bringing it in. There's invariably a tiger or bull nearby that's willing to steal your catch as well, especially tuna. Filet and release the remains quickly and get the filet on ice.
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In Newfoundland, we're often gifted with cod during the weekend (food) fishery. So my trick is to hang around people who like to fish.
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I've never heard that before!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that all fish? Or Sole?

That would certainly be a healthy alternative to potato chips. :)


Mark
I've only found it effective for flatfish: sole, flounder, up to about 45cm in length. After cooking the fish and eating the flesh, toss whatever flesh and skin is easily pulled off; don't make any real effort here. If it's all done right, you have one skeleton with fins. Put the whole thing on a baking pan, season with salt, pepper, and whatever you wish, and cook at about 180F for 20 minutes. Time and temp may vary, you can test it along the way. Once done, the whole thing has a consistency of potato chips, and tastes like them too.

You can do the same with prawns. Go ahead, eat the tails. Then take the front end, season it, and bake 15 minutes. It should be nice and crispy. Pull the legs off, toss the rest in your mouth. Uh....ditto grasshoppers; small < 2cm douse with salt and lemon; larger, soy sauce.
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You need to fish where the fish are at. You don't now where they are at? Ask a friend. Sea birds, dolphins sharks are all pretty good indicators there may be fish around. Fish don't trust weird things. Things that look funny (sails, keels) or sound weird (deisel inboards, gas outboards, yelling, barking dogs) are fish turn offs.

If you want to know where the fish are, ask a Pelican or other fishing creature.

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Drag this off the back of your boat. You can buy them on Amazon from a company in Key West. The head is concave so it leaves a trail of little bubbles as it surfaces and catches air then submerged again. The first time I used one sailed from NH to St John’s. Caught my first Mahi not long after entering the Gulf Stream, caught two more Mahi and 2 smaller sailfish. Mahi love them. Caught on south of Bermuda two days ago. I tie it to a Cuban yoyo
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If there are fish in the area, a Clark Spoon behind a planer and heavy mono on a yoyo will feed you. As mentioned above a fish billy, and gaff are essential as well. That's it. No fancy rods/reels/braided lines/nada. If fish are smaller, pull aboard, open cooler, squeeze fish between cooler and lid, remove hook with complete control, fish falls back in cooler. It's just technique (read practice) but skinning fish removes scales too, although tossing on grill after gutting works fine.
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If there are fish in the area, a Clark Spoon behind a planer and heavy mono on a yoyo will feed you.

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What's a Planer ? And what's a yoyo (apart from a derogatory term for an Australia ding-a-ling, as in "you bloody yoyo")

How far being the planer should the lure be?

And how far off the back of the boat?

Mark
I put a picture of a yoyo above. As mentioned by someone else, you should attach it to a bungee.
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I put a picture of a yoyo above. As mentioned by someone else, you should attach it to a bungee.
Handreel? ✅

How much line out the back of the boat?

Thanks :)

Mark
What's a Planer ? And what's a yoyo (apart from a derogatory term for an Australia ding-a-ling, as in "you bloody yoyo")

How far being the planer should the lure be?

And how far off the back of the boat?

Mark
I posted a pic of a planer above. The yoyo is just a convenience. Lots of examples on web. Start with Clarkspoon but the art is finding your own setup. Heavy mono and bungee are required due to continued sailing after strike. From planer to yoyo can be nylon cord. I made a "YOYO" from a 1 x 6 x 12 with U shaped ends as I use 1/8 solid braid nylon for run back to boat. You really can't do it wrong. More than a couple of times anyway. Big setups will get bigger fish than you want.
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Handreel? ✅

How much line out the back of the boat?

Thanks :)

Mark
Yes handreel. That’s what the locals use in the pacific. They only use rods with visitors. You’ll want gloves for pulling in big fish. And someone already said a gaff, that’s important. Maybe run 50 to 75 meters of line, though someone else will disagree.

Also forgot to mention flocks of birds. The birds flock over schools of tuna to grab the remnants. If you see a flock of birds diving, that’s where the tuna are.

Don’t know about the Carib, but the Pacific locals don’t much eat tuna. They prefer triggers and other reef fishes. The oily, yucky tuna goes to the hotels where the indigenous shake their heads at foreigners happy to eat overpriced tuna.
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Handreel? ✅

How much line out the back of the boat?

Thanks :)

Mark
Cuban yoyo. Very common on-line and in many southern tackle shops. You want the larger 8" version.
The rigging (lure, amount and length of line, weights are all area-specific. Ask locally.

In general, planers are speed specific and require a very consistent boat speed, making them difficult to use under sail. A 2- to 5-ounce torpedo ~ 20 feet in front of the lure is simpler. But this is only for targeting fish that run that deep.

Speed is also critical and specific to what is biting. Mahi mahi, bluefish, and spanish mackeral will bite at 6-8 knots, but stripped bass, for example, require trolling at 3-4 knots. And each lure has a best speed.

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Honestly, bait fishing at anchor, or better taking the dinghy out where the fist are (which is often around structure and NOT where you want to anchor) is often far more productive. What bait? Often something you can find with a net, like grass shrimp off pilings. Take a small, fine net for catching bait.
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