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I am in Florida and you are wasting time if you think things will change. Find another place to anchor. Pretty simple and not a lot of effort. This may be a bit inconvenient; just remember that sailors created the problem for sailors--not home owners. If you want to unite, unite against cruising folks being irresponsible. Florida homeowners are simply responding to the small percentage of sailors who do not have the foresight to understand how their behavior might affect others.

This is no different than having some rust bucket truck, car or mobile home park in front of your home and get left there. You cannot find the owner. Or, if you do, they ignore you. Would you put up with that? The street is not your property, but it would still aggravate you to no end. And, it could affect the perceived value of the area. Most cruising folks and liveaboards are outstanding. But, there are always going to be low-life liveaboards. It takes just a few to cause problems like this.
 

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I've read the argument that a 200ft setback would effectively close miles of the ICW and one isn't permitted to transit the ICW in the dark. While I don't subscribe to providing anchorages, as I can count may places that never had any for miles to begin with, I also can't see a measure that effectively closes long stretches of the ICW to anyone that can move fast enough between anchorages. We also don't want to open it up to night travel, or the consequences and cost could be greater. In a sense, we've already created the problem.

There must be a compromise in there somewhere. Does 100ft allow for anchorages close enough that they can be transited during daylight? Could the regulation exclude anchoring in some places between 1hr after sunrise and 1 hr before sunset, rather than excluded it entirely by the setback, just to allow transiting?

I'm not saying these are good ideas, only that we all need to get along and come up with something. There are a-holes in all walks of life, ashore and afloat.

The slow boiling water analogy is a damnation against democracy. I should decide all these matters, rationally. :)
One size for setbacks does not fit all situations. Nor does a setback, per se, address other legitimate waterway uses, like transiting, recreational boating (vs. parking) to include sailing, kayaking, etc.

In our harbor we have designated transient anchorages, a fairway through a mooring field (to reduce confllicts between moving and parked boats), and a designated open area to facilitate setting sail before reaching open water at the mouth of our harbor. That is in addition to mooring field setbacks, which are 150' for residential areas and 100' for commercial areas.

My point is that there are a variety of legitimate boating issues that should be accommodated in resolving the transient issue. As some have insinuated, you could turn a narrow waterway into wall-to-wall "parking lot" or, for that matter, you could turn a much larger area into a parking lot to the detriment of boaters who need some open space. One example in our area is the area to the southeast in what is known as the Noank anchorage. Our harbor management plan, which is in effect, designates the area to the east of a north-south line tangent to the west coast of Ram Island and south of Seal Rocks (by Masons Island) to be cleared of moorings through attrition and by precluding new moorings there. FWIW, AC incorrectly identifies this area as an anchorage. Also, FWIW, the southern end of this area has an active shellfish lease--all the more reason to keep moored/anchored boats at a distance.
 

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I am in Florida and you are wasting time if you think things will change. Find another place to anchor. Pretty simple and not a lot of effort. This may be a bit inconvenient; just remember that sailors created the problem for sailors--not home owners. If you want to unite, unite against cruising folks being irresponsible. Florida homeowners are simply responding to the small percentage of sailors who do not have the foresight to understand how their behavior might affect others.

This is no different than having some rust bucket truck, car or mobile home park in front of your home and get left there. You cannot find the owner. Or, if you do, they ignore you. Would you put up with that? The street is not your property, but it would still aggravate you to no end. And, it could affect the perceived value of the area. Most cruising folks and liveaboards are outstanding. But, there are always going to be low-life liveaboards. It takes just a few to cause problems like this.
You want boaters to take the law into their own hands? I have no jurisdiction and its a crime for me to take someone's boat or to interfere with it. There are people who are authorized to do it. Police. Why doesnt the state just pull the derelict boats and fine the owners? Ahh see that's the problem! Lazy inefficient corrupt government not doing it's job - cheaper and easier to ban everyone! That may be a good approach for a derelict neighborhood car ........not for the water. Demand more from your government.
 

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I am in Florida and you are wasting time if you think things will change. Find another place to anchor. Pretty simple and not a lot of effort. This may be a bit inconvenient; just remember that sailors created the problem for sailors--not home owners. If you want to unite, unite against cruising folks being irresponsible. Florida homeowners are simply responding to the small percentage of sailors who do not have the foresight to understand how their behavior might affect others.

This is no different than having some rust bucket truck, car or mobile home park in front of your home and get left there. You cannot find the owner. Or, if you do, they ignore you. Would you put up with that? The street is not your property, but it would still aggravate you to no end. And, it could affect the perceived value of the area. Most cruising folks and liveaboards are outstanding. But, there are always going to be low-life liveaboards. It takes just a few to cause problems like this.
Like blacks trying to move into your neighborhood. Some
may be okay, but safer to keep them all out.
 

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Yet when compared with the amount of traffic seen north of the FL-GA line, tug traffic on the ICW in Florida - particularly South Florida - is so minimal as to be practically non-existent...
Just think, every time you see a day marker, or bridge dolphin taken out, and picture it being your boat instead.
 

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Like blacks trying to move into your neighborhood. Some
may be okay, but safer to keep them all out.
Personally, I avoid neighborhoods with bigoted rednecks in them. Who needs rusty pickup trucks, pit bulls, middle-aged fat guys toting guns, meth heads, old refrigerators in the back yard and Confederate flags? Not in my backyard.
 

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Personally, I avoid neighborhoods with bigoted rednecks in them. Who needs rusty pickup trucks, pit bulls, middle-aged fat guys toting guns, meth heads, old refrigerators in the back yard and Confederate flags? Not in my backyard.
Is this some kind of bad joke? This comment and the Group9 comment to which it responds are out of line for this thread. This isn't about political correctness (rednecks are people, too) but about civility (or lack thereof.)
 

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Agreed. As a fat middle age man with a gun I prefer the south.
I gotz me a Bible, a God, a gun, a dog, and freedom. This is why the civil war happened, people from up north thought they knew better.
The bad news, for you, is the north has turned their guns into welfare cash, so the south will win this one. Enjoy sailing in the snow. FWIW Bahamas is cool with guns too, so don't go there neither. I hear Venezuela is nice in the winter, and no guns!
Ever hear of sarcasm?

My point is that the casual racism of Group 9's comment has no place on Sailnet or anyplace else, for that matter.

Every group has its good and bad people -- white, black, Asian, Jewish, Arab and everyone else. Making offensive comments about an entire ethnic group based on the actions of a few is ignorant.

You want to say bad things about black people? It's easy enough to say equally awful things about white people and every other ethnic group, based on the behavior of some members of the group.

For another example, people could be complaining about the poor Southern whites who comprise most of the people living on derelict boats and are largely causing the anchoring problems in Florida. But they're not.

That is the point of my post.

Also, by the way, the only reason most of the Southern states are not part of the Third World is that Washington sends them many billions of Northern tax dollars every year to help compensate for the widespread poverty among white and black residents. Only Texas and Florida pay their own way.

You could look it up, if you read.
 

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For another example, people could be complaining about the poor Southern whites who comprise most of the people living on derelict boats and are largely causing the anchoring problems in Florida.
I have met some. Unless they forgot how to have an accent, they are not originally from the south. They are transplants.



That is the point of my post.

Also, by the way, the only reason most of the Southern states are not part of the Third World is that Washington sends them many billions of Northern tax dollars every year to help compensate for the widespread poverty among white and black residents. Only Texas and Florida pay their own way.

You could look it up, if you read.
I live in FL, so I cannot speak for other southern states. I have only visited, and only so brief a time that I could not make such observations. Of course if they send money to help them, please stop sending it. People can and will take care of themselves when the government stop providing everything for them.

As for the derlicts, sink them. They they can move back to land and be a land problem with the rest of the lazy homeless people.
 

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Is this some kind of bad joke? This comment and the Group9 comment to which it responds are out of line for this thread. This isn't about political correctness (rednecks are people, too) but about civility (or lack thereof.)
No, it's political correctness heading to its ultimate goal: no debate on anything.
It was an analogy and trying to make a point.

Sometimes, I just forget how politically correct and easy to offend so much of the world has become. I will endeavor to remember that here.
 

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No, it's political correctness heading to its ultimate goal: no debate on anything.
It was an analogy and trying to make a point.

Sometimes, I just forget how politically correct and easy to offend so much of the world has become. I will endeavor to remember that here.
If you want to debate an issue, please stick to the issue. Invoking a racial or ethnic "analog" confuses the issue IMHO.
 

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I think Bahamas would have a lot more visitors if they lower the $300 check-in fee.
And yet, I'll bet you spend more than that to stay tied up to a dock in St Augustine each month... Go figure... ;-)

Yup, the Bahamians have their priorities backwards, alright... Just imagine the vast amount of untapped wealth among those who might balk at paying the present price of admission...





...when compared to so many of those currently cluttering up places like the Exumas...





It should be $150 for anyone under 50m.
I suspect your tenure as Minister of Bahamian Tourism would not be a lengthy one...

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Yup, the Bahamians have their priorities backwards, alright... Just imagine the vast amount of untapped wealth among those who might balk at paying the present price of admission...





...when compared to so many of those currently cluttering up places like the Exumas...


Good point, but that little boat would only be 150. So make them all 300 then?
 
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