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As a Floridian, I don't consider those people residents and their opinion really shouldn't count.
Who is that you object to begin considered a FL resident? A full time liveaboard?
 

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"Uhhh, you do realize you're not actually REQUIRED to stop in marinas along the ICW, right?"

UHHH...You do realize that this thread is about keeping some FREE ANCHORAGES, right?

I lived in San Francisco, San Diego, Philadelphia, and don't need you wise cracks about where prices are high.
 

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"Uhhh, you do realize you're not actually REQUIRED to stop in marinas along the ICW, right?"

UHHH...You do realize that this thread is about keeping some FREE ANCHORAGES, right?
My mistake, I thought your mention of the "insanely expensive" cost of spending a night on the ICW referred to paying transient rates at marinas, as I'm not aware of any places along the ICW in Florida where one must currently pay for the privilege of anchoring...
 

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My mistake, I thought your mention of the "insanely expensive" cost of spending a night on the ICW referred to paying transient rates at marinas, as I'm not aware of any places along the ICW in Florida where one must currently pay for the privilege of anchoring...
JE, I am referring to marina costs as one goes down South to the Keys. This Bill, if passed, would drive the costs of a night at a marina even higher, and free anchorages far fewer. Contrast..I'm planning to go up near Philly by way of the Delaware river. I have two marinas lined up there that will charge me $21. per night for a week, so my family can visit. Find THAT in Miami or the Keys. From the picture of your boat, it's a beauty, I have to assume you have $$$. Many members don't, I was injured badly in an auto wreck 8 years ago and have been living on disability,1K a month. It's a risk going alone, friends say I'm crazy, one slip up and I'll be incapacitated, frozen in pain. Sailing, I wish, but will likely put-put along on the motor, no mast or sails. And if I can't find free anchorage often, I can't go. Please sir, remember that many who love the water, are not as fortunate as you. and what is insanely expensive to me, is probably nothing to you. It takes all kinds of people to make up this big, big world. And each of us must push ourselves to attain our goals, whatever they may be, if we are to have a reason to stay above ground.

My best to you,
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Dave, the cost of staying in most of the ICW marinas varies from $1.50 to $2.50 per foot per night, which is a fraction of the cost of staying in the Holiday Inn Express in the same vicinity. I should know, I just did that a few months ago. And, when you get to the keys, hotels and motels are insanely high. So my wife and rented a home, 1,600 square feet on a canal at Key Colony Beach. How about $3,000 a month, and that was the least expensive place we could find. Most went from $4,500 and up per month, or about $1,500 a week.

On contrast, a mooring ball at Marathon's City Marina was $300 a month, while dockage in the canal was $750 a month for my 33 footer. There were a couple nice marinas on the gulf side of Marathon that were significantly less expensive.

I found lots of sheltered, relatively deep anchorages in Florida along the ICW that would not have impinged on that 200 feet regulation, especially in the keys. The only reason I stayed at the Marathon City Marina was the convenience of being able to easily load and unload my music equipment while berthed in the canal. It was a straight shot from the gunwale of the boat to the concrete bulkhead and I could position the boat as close as 8 inches from the walkway. Sure made life a lot easier. Plus, I had water and electricity, which was included in the price, right next to the boat.

With the exception of Georgia, I made the trip down the ICW single handed on my Morgan 33 Out Island. Much of the trip, obviously, was motored, but I tried to keep the jib out most of the trip to cut fuel expenses. I sailed around Georgia with a fellow sailnetter, who graciously offered to assist me on that leg of the trip. At my age, I'm not sure I can still stay awake for 24 hours straight, which is what it took to get around Georgia.

Good luck,

Gary :cool:
 

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Gary,

Thanks for the valuable first hand info. I talked with the state park in Largo, not bad if I get desperate, it's just the unknown of getting down there that scares me. I was living in a new house on a golf course in Casa Grande AZ when I was injured. Now I live in a 40 year old trailer (small but decent recording studio as well, Yamaha DX 7, latest Sonar on the dedicated computer, etc) in a trailer park four miles from Monroe Lake. I started selling computers and software in L.A. in 1984, installed and configured the most powerful computers in the world for Lockheed Martin. Then the accident left me unfit for steady employment of any kind. A simple one second twist of fate.

But to more happy things, "unloading musical equipment" you are a musician then? So am I. I started with classical piano in 63, but switched to guitar in 65...maybe you remember those days, I'm just now 65. Music was to be my life until a few years around the serious drugs brought to my place, a gathering spot because I had pro PA, amps, gold top Les Paul, hand made Martin from their shop foreman Mossman. To save my life I moved to Florida and only dealt with old fishermen. I still play when not working on the boat and such, so you can understand why I would prefer to be as far away from other folks as possible. I use a J-45 copy, great sound and loud. And I am taking many books, history, Ethology, got the digital complete 6 books by Gibbon on the Roman Empire, last week, so I don't mind being alone. The only reason I am attempting this trip, is because I get five months of "storage" on my place, nicer than it sounds, allowing me about $900 for expenses a month. I don't drink, don't eat out, have canned a couple of months of good food, and tricked out the cabin for max entertainment.

My apologies to all for hijacking the thread, but I never did an intro about myself.

I'll get quiet now.

Dave
 

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Dave, I'm 75, played guitar and sang country songs at a couple blood and guts saloons when I was young, then switched to an arranger keyboard and never looked back. Now I play a Yamaha PSR-S950, I have a couple Bose L1 Compact amps for my PA system, still sing to the ladies 5 to 7 days a week. The only difference between now and a decade ago is that when October rolls around, I'm putting the sails up and pointing the bow south, and not stopping till my age and the temperature are the same, which should put me back in Marathon Key for the winter months. I played at a few locations there this past winter and the managers didn't want me to leave. I didn't want to either, but had contractual agreements to perform back home from April 1 through October 1, so, reluctantly, I returned to the frozen north of Maryland.



Unfortunately, I somehow messed up my lower back and may have to have some surgery to correct the problem, which may preclude me taking the boat back to the keys this winter. I hope not, but you never quite know.

Gettin' old ain't fer wimps and sissies, ;)

Gary :cool:
 

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You added a pic... nice, the Silver Tongue Devil surrounded by pretty gals.

Dave, I'm 75, played guitar and sang country songs at a couple blood and guts saloons when I was young, then switched to an arranger keyboard and never looked back. Now I play a Yamaha PSR-S950, I have a couple Bose L1 Compact amps for my PA system, still sing to the ladies 5 to 7 days a week.

You DOG..so cool. Nothing like hearing true applause, such a great feeling. When I bought the boat about 10 months ago, all my time has gone to it. Now if I pick up the guitar, my fingers say"you want me to do WHAT? Big reason I want to get on the water to get them back. I'm taking a mixer to power the acoustic mic, and all the recording software is on the Lenova I'm taking. A bunch of sheet music as well. That Yamaha you have is great. Unlike my DX-7 that requires a computer to access all the potential voices, a PITA, you have all you need at your finger tips. I'm curious, when I played and sang 20 hours a week long ago, Shure Vocal Master..took a truck to move it, I played much better, but to my surprise, my voice has gotten better with the years, especially on those great old country songs. Life experience counts!

The only difference between now and a decade ago is that when October rolls around, I'm putting the sails up and pointing the bow south, and not stopping till my age and the temperature are the same, which should put me back in Marathon Key for the winter months. I played at a few locations there this past winter and the managers didn't want me to leave. I didn't want to either, but had contractual agreements to perform back home from April 1 through October 1, so, reluctantly, I returned to the frozen north of Maryland.

WOW, Gary, you're a pro. I couldn't ever be. When I said I moved from Dallas to Florida to get away from drugs, it's not changed. I can turn down a drink no problem, but if someone throws a bag of dope on the table in front of me, it's a risk. I've stayed clean for 35 years only because I'm careful, very careful, who I let in my life. So it's just recording for me, and I have little to show because of the boat. My brother plays flute well and has the same software and tastes, and is better at handling the drum tracks, strings, I have about mastered, and there is a new gal in the park that plays stand up base with a Blue Grass team, not my thing, but I might check her out. They have invited me, but like you, I prefer to play alone. I tend to do tempo changes and improv. So I don't play well with others, that doesn't make me a bad person...although not all agree.


Unfortunately, I somehow messed up my lower back and may have to have some surgery to correct the problem, which may preclude me taking the boat back to the keys this winter. I hope not, but you never quite know.

I'm sorry to hear that, and hope it isn't as serious as mine. Herniated disc, three years ago kept me in a recliner for 6 months. I can lift carefully but not twist my spine. Work on the boat took several time as long because of it. MANY days, I would get in an hours work in cramped quarters and the rest of the day in bed. The effort set me back about a year on the daily pain level, so until you know for sure what's what back there, take it as easy as you can, and as I'm sure you know, get a trusted second opinion before letting them go in with the tools. My brother is smart and wealthy and after 12 years with his, he has had too many Docs tell him it's a very risky gamble. So he lives with it, as do I. Why I'm afraid of the sails. Maybe after this trip, I'll have more confidence, and put em on to test close to home.

Gettin' old ain't fer wimps and sissies,

I heard Katheryn Hepburn coined that first. What I DO know, is it's for darn sure true.

Take care, and thank you for sharing, you have my utmost respect. I hope you are able to do the winter Keys, If all goes well, I'll be there in your audience.

Dave,

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As a Floridian, I don't consider those people residents and their opinion really shouldn't count.
Really? Even in a tourist economy like Florida? So we should just mail our money in and stay home?

Actually, you don't ... If stopping in Florida has become so onerous to some, no reason you just can't sail right on by... Heading N to the Chesapeake, hitching a ride on the Stream sounds like a hell of a lot more fun than motoring up the Ditch, anyway... :)
Darn tootin'. As it happens I'm presenting a webinar entitled "Offshore to the Bahamas" for those intrigued by the idea of heading from Norfolk VA or Beaufort NC direct to the Bahamas. 6 May on Seven Seas U see Seven Seas U .
 

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JE, I am referring to marina costs as one goes down South to the Keys. This Bill, if passed, would drive the costs of a night at a marina even higher, and free anchorages far fewer.
I think those fears might be a bit overstated. I've spent a fair bit of time in the Keys, I doubt something like the 200' setback will affect many, perhaps more than a relatively small number of those squeezed into the margins of a place like Boot Key, or Tarpon Basin...

Contrast..I'm planning to go up near Philly by way of the Delaware river. I have two marinas lined up there that will charge me $21. per night for a week, so my family can visit. Find THAT in Miami or the Keys.
I could be wrong, but I believe there are probably a couple of other factors beyond simple supply and demand that might be driving the discrepancy between transient dockage rates in Miami or Key West, and Philadelphia or other locales on the upper Delaware... :)

From the picture of your boat, it's a beauty, I have to assume you have $$$.
Thanks for the compliment, but I'm sorry to say you are sadly mistaken regarding the latter... :)

My boat is invariably the smallest, or certainly among the smallest, pretty much everywhere I go. I tend to cruise in a pretty modest style, might splurge for a marina stay from time to time, but that's generally if my girlfriend is along. When I take my boat south by myself, it will be rare if I have more than a handful of stays in marinas over the entire course of the trip... One of the best things about cruising Atlantic Canada, for instance, is that in the rare event one does have to pay for dockage, the cost is negligible...

Many members don't, I was injured badly in an auto wreck 8 years ago and have been living on disability,1K a month. It's a risk going alone, friends say I'm crazy, one slip up and I'll be incapacitated, frozen in pain. Sailing, I wish, but will likely put-put along on the motor, no mast or sails. And if I can't find free anchorage often, I can't go. Please sir, remember that many who love the water, are not as fortunate as you. and what is insanely expensive to me, is probably nothing to you. It takes all kinds of people to make up this big, big world. And each of us must push ourselves to attain our goals, whatever they may be, if we are to have a reason to stay above ground.

My best to you,
Dave
No worries, you'll do fine heading north, you'll find no shortage of free anchorages the entire way... You might want to pick up a copy of Skipper Bob's Guide to Anchorages on the ICW. I think it's probably the most comprehensive anchorage and 'free dock' guide out there, that guy didn't miss anything, and the entries are usually written with regards to access to shoreside conveniences, grocery shopping, and so on... It's a no-frills guide, but very useful...

It's a wonderful trip, you're in for a treat... good luck, enjoy, and my best to you, as well...

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In the end. If this passes, word will spread about where they enforce it or not. I doubt that many police forces are going have the manpower to bother this "domestic type call" I mean really fat cat homeowner does not want a boat obscuring his view! Talk about 1st world problems.... The officer gets to choose between that or the domestic violence call.... I think we know what will be chosen.

A previous poster did state that the waterways are like th highways, so I'm not sure if its enforceable. afterall you cannot expect anyone to make all of florida without stopping.
maybe they should make marinaa state subsidized, since this where everyone will have to go.

They would have been better just stating that you cannot anchor more than say 48hrs.
then you have to move a mile along your route etc..

that seems more reasonable. but I believe this is for boats that sit and sit and sit and never move.

I think its unenforceable for the traveling boat.

they should amend it stating that those looking to rest overnight or fleeing a storm or making major repairs are exempt.

I know I'll be ignotring it.
 

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Latest news is that the amendment to include anchoring restrictions did not make it into the House bill. The Senate bill is still out there, but with only about a week left in the current legislative session it is highly unlikely to pass.

I think we can all take a deep breath at this point. Thanks to all who kept on top of this, and testified against it. Keep your eyes open, though, because this issue WILL come around again.
 

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You can bet your bottom dollar that someone will try to sneak this legislation in through the back door by making it an amendment to another, totally different kind of legislation that pertains to a completely different subject. Nothing unusual.

My personal thanks to those that took the time to testify against this legislation,

Gary :cool:
 

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If I'm not mistaken, a companion bill in the house (presumably the one already in existence) would need to be merged with the Senate bill to form one bill...and that one bill would then be voted on by the house and senate...I don't believe they can both pass separate bills. Oftentimes the absence of a companion bill on the other side of the legislature is what ends up killing a bill, and if one chamber is intent on killing a bill, they will introduce a companion bill and then delete everything in it...

It seems that the 200' anchoring restriction amendment to the house bill was an attempt to have the bills similar enough that they could be combined and voted on by both chambers...the fact that the amendment was withdrawn is a good sign for us boaters. That's not to say that something can't, or won't, happen in the final hour, but the house's seeming opposition to the anchoring restriction is hopeful.
 

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For all of you folks that carry musical instruments aboard your boats, many municipalities in Florida and other states have a regulation pertaining to amplified music played outdoors. The restriction in most states is that no outdoor, amplified music can played after 10 p.m.. That includes your radio, CD player and TV. This particular law is strictly enforced and the fine is pretty hefty. When I performed at the tiki bars and marina restaurants in the keys, the music usually was from 6 till 9 p.m.. They used to have music from 7 till 10 p.m., but if you ran five minutes beyond 10 p.m., there was a sheriff's deputy having a serious talk with the club owner and he was writing them a citation. One owner told me that the fine was $500 per offense, but I'm not sure if that's true.

They also have a DB level law that is strictly enforced as well. Exceed that level and there will be a deputy sheriff knocking on your hull to get your attention. They DO have DB meters in some of the patrol cars. Unfortunately, that law never seems to apply to the motorcycles that roar down US Route 1 with straight pipes and no mufflers.

All the best,

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sigh. I had worked out a way that my entire boat was going to be a sub woofer! low volume but boom da da roooooooommmmmmm would have vibrated the china in a near by home.

Sigh. No chance of that now.

I kid I kid....
 

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That is definitely good news...aside from the likely possibility that this will come up again next year, does anyone know if the FL House and Senate can take up other issues/bills in the event they are called back for a special session, which they undoubtedly will due to the health care/budget issue going on? Or, are they only allowed to debate/discuss/pass legislation specific to the purpose of the special session (i.e. health care/budget)?
 
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