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hmmmmmm......

Now I can see how that knot works with an RF system and a higher clew......what if you have hanked on no RF with a deck sweeper 155 or some such jib/genoa. One usually wants as short a knot as possible, so you can get the carr as close to the clew in light winds for sail shape. Farther back in heavy winds would not be an issue as you will usually want the carr back a bit.

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ok, how does that saying go, "open mouth pickup foot insert"

I saw that, then look at his actual pic with the RF high clew, and went WTF!

the "loop can;t be too long so it will not go into the car sheave" went in one ear and out the other, or is that in the eyes, and out the ears!?!?!?!

So the loop will need to vary based on the clew hieght etc. OK,

Thank you.............

as I go off to bury my head in the sand!
 

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Maybe I am weird on this, been called weird before for other reasons........

For my two jibs, each has its own sheets, granted this costs a bit more, but when you know you will be changing jibs, in my case, 110 to 155 or 155 down to a 110, I setup the new jib's lines in the carrs, on the forestay etc, and drop the one, and hoist the other.

I also admit, my 110 uses a different carr/track that is farther forward than the 155 or my cruising 140 that will be here in a month or so.........BUT even if they used the same carr, I have the carrs that two lines that can run thru, so you set up the one while still using the other, and again, jib changes are kept to minimum time. Even if it is just spouse and I vs when racing with 4-6 crew on board etc.

This method works fine for the hanked on jibs I had, now with a foil, one jib can be up, the other in the lee hoisting, drop the filled on, and new fills almost instantaniously! But again, you need two sets of sheets to do this method, strictly cruisers may not want the extra expense of the lines.

This is my mad or madd or what ever method you want to call it for the use of jibs/geno's etc.

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zz,

Thanks for the actual term ie "peal" for when raising and lowering foiled jibs. The "mad or madd" part of quote was just to say my way of doing things. Be it right or wrong, as in any of the methods mentioned, they all work, it is more of a which works best for me vs you vs _________ all are right and wrong and _____________

I will have to remember the term "peal" thos! thank you!
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Here is a picture of the two tracks I have, one on the cabin top, the other on the deck behind, ie rear ward of the side shrouds.


Sailnet and it idiotic write word and it goes to sailnets store..........."http://www.harken.com/fur ling/Carbo_Racing_Foil.php" hopefully that will work. You will need to copy the info in the parenthesis, and delete the space between the "fur ling" and that will get you to the harken site! I hope.............

When Alex gets to reposting, I am sure what he will show/has will be different, but similar in how it works etc.

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My upper track is for my 110 only, or possibly a smaller say .7-.90% head sail. The lower track is what came with the boat, sorta kinda........That track you see is actually new last dec with line control carrs. My old original track was about 6.5' or 2Meters in length, the new one is 8', so I now have a bit more forward for running/reaching use with the larger LP jibs. Including my 110 if I wanted to in windier conditions for a bit more off wind use vs the upper ones I can get to within 8* or their abouts vs 10-11* for the lower tracks.

A tweaker is usually a differnt setup, with a line and a metal loop, so that you can move the sheet inward a bit more than what is normal with the tracks.

I thought I had a better picture looking back with both tracks, but am not finding it. I need to setup this, but my sheets are able to run to the back of the cabin top for the 110, but need bigger winches to make this work. In the mean time, I find running the sheet line from the upper tracks to the lower then back to the 40's for the genoa work better than the 16's I currently have on the cabin top. Plan is to move the 16's inward, and put 24's or 32's on the outside for the 110 and smaller jib work and the bigger jibs use the lower tracks. My HS's consist of currently an original 135, a new carbon 155, and a dac/mylar 110 and a storm jib. the end of next month I have a replacement 140 for the 135, and a 130 reacher for the less than 7-8 knot wind days here in puget sound for summer racing to catch the zyphers my 155 will not.

Marty

on edit.....

The line you see just towards the mast from the upper track, what I am realizing you may see as a tweaker, is my AS tack line!

And a link to another forum thread with how I installed the new lower tracks, there is also a copy of it on another thread here at sailnet, but not sure where it is at.
 

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Adam,

Another note, Schaefer or Lewmar, can not remember which, makes a foil similar to the harken one. I put on a harken, or my use application thought it was the best bang for the buck, along with most of the upgrades from the OEM Goiot stuff has been harken. Don't feel that the only option is the one I used.

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With all of Mr Fasters lecture.........have we gotten off topic, or have we gotten off topic!.......... at least it is still sailing oriented?!?!?!?!?!:D:D:D
 

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Faster,

so true, so we are not off topic!:D:D:D

good, was afraid alex might jump in here and give us a group photoshop for screwing up his thread!::D:D

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