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Yes, even on our local lake, winds topped 50mph... I was outside seconds before the storms hit in Scranton, PA... in Nay Aug Park actually... watching the classic Beaufort scale indicator, a flag! Wife knows a am a huge advocate of knowing winds by indicators... and I watched, and had her and my daughter watching with me as I said, look, that's 15, thats 25, that's 30... LOOK! 40mph, 50mph and 40mph... back and forth. I was told it peaked to 60mph, but I can't agree with it. The flag was nearly bending the pole down, with it nearly ripping off it's halyard.

We were in the car at that point, storm came up STUPID quick... of course we knew it was coming, but not how bad it'd be. We spent the next hour dodging downed trees, driving home.

A friend of mine was up on our local lake, and he got some pretty darned impressive footage of the squall line. He also verified winds topping to 60... The video doesn't show the indicators he saw, because he didn't video it until after he saw the initial spike of wind. I'll see if I can get him to post the vid publicly.

This storm line caused a significant amount of damage, and indicators of a low grade tornado in one of our northern counties.
 

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Thankfully that went north of us down here in South Jersey. It would have been a bigger mess. We did get some nasty thunderstorms, but they passed north and were gone quickly. the storm must have just skirted us.

Glad everyone up there is ok..
 

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That is a fine looking wind graph, can it be set for any location? If so please pass on the web address. I've been looking through google - found wind maps and different graphs but not the version referenced in Willie and Sal's posts.
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A little bit west of me here in the Adirondacks, some houses were leveled. They say they are investigating whether it was a tornado....duh! Started getting tornado warnings in the afternoon. There are branches down all over the place and many power outages. Warnings were for winds in excess of 80 mph although I did not see anything like that here, maybe 50. Around dark there was a constant rumbling from thunderstorms.
 

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As promised... he has it listed as 60 knots, but the squall line was clocked to 60mph but obviously NOT while he was filming... Understand that where he was standing was on the leeward side of a point, where the lake is very narrow to begin with. The time was just about 7:30pm, so sun still very much up.
 

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smurph, last night's network nooze had a video from somewhere in upstate ny, with a voiceover by the guberner hisself saying something like "folks say we don't have tornadoes in new York, but now they'd better believe we do".

There used to be a huge blowdown somewhere up in the Adirondacks from a big one that passed through in the 30's or 40's as I recall. And then about as many tornadoes as there are unicorn ranches, till I saw one in NY harbor around 1988/89. (A waterspout that made land in Staten Island.) To which I said "WTF, I am NOT IN KANSAS. This is NY and we don't have tornadoes in NY, if I wanted tornadoes I would MOVE TO KANSAS."

Well...they've become a fact of life. There have been confirmed tornado touchdowns in NYC in recent years. Welcome to global warming. Doesn't matter what's causing it, the wx is changing.
 

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Please don't start the global warming stuff. There was a tornado that tore through Carmel, NY in the late 80s, just north of NYC. Had friends who lost their home. Gone. This stuff is not as new as some seem to want to believe. The planet has been warming since the glaciers that cut the Finger Lakes receded. Goodness.
 

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Minne, global warming COULD actually be a good thing. From the geological record, we're actually overdue for an ice age, and that wouldn't be so good for business either.

But if oyu ask anyone who lived in NYC or NYC anytime from WW2 to the 1980's "Do you ever get tornadoes?" you'd hear the loud guffaws all the way to the Rockies. Yes, there were some, notably starting in the 80's. And that was considered a true unicorn at the time. Now? Every emergency management agency has a tornado response plan, because it is the new norm.

Call it global dustdevils if you don't like global warming. But the wx HAS changed.

Folks also forget, there's a continental shelf because, ah, sea level is about 400' higher than it was not so long ago. There are whole villages to be found 300+ feet underwater, in the Black Sea, the Baltic, the Med, in fact, pretty much all over the world there are signs that people were living way below what is now sea level. So...global warming?

Doesn't matter what you call it, the environment is not static, and either we accept that and accommodate to it, or die. Makes no difference really, a little death improves the species.
 

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Doesn't matter what you call it, the environment is not static, and either we accept that and accommodate to it, or die. Makes no difference really, a little death improves the species.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they are having a field day with coastal archaelogy: many finds of all sorts and new exposures due to ice melt. It is actually somewhat of a crisis along the northern perimeter because exposed sites are degraded rapidly and precious finds literally crumble seaward daily. Cool stuff being learned though.
 

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Back around the early 80s, when I was over in the White Mtns. of NH, I don't remember exactly which year, there was a huge blowdown. Where the wind blew in channels down mountainsides, large swaths of trees, mostly Spruces, were completely flattened. It blew the roof right off the Inn on Loon Mountain and placed it in the parking lot. No tornado, just a wild wind event. Mother Nature can be a ***** even without global warming:)
 
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