[Dog Ship]

After two and a half years of discussion, we will be going to have a very close look at a boat I have had my eye on for a while.
We met the owners last year and had a quick look at her. She is in amazing shape. New motor, rigging, sails, dinghy. She even comes with a single garage full of stuff.
It is a 1967 Redline 41. Hull #1. The C&C Mothership if you will.
It was sort of for sale 2 years ago but the owner has not been actively trying to sell since.
Pretty excited about this, she is a beautiful boat with a storied history.
We will be heading down to Victoria tomorrow to have lunch with the owners and to have a good look at her.
Wish us luck, as the owner has owned her since she was new and is having some separation anxiety issues.

 

[Faster]

Wishing you luck.. There must be two of those (at least) in BC.. I know of another, Bedlam, that's just done the Vic Maui last year under her new owner.

Pretty, classic C&C lines.. she'll be a head turner!

 

[Dog Ship]

That's correct. There were four sisterships built. Bedlam, Manitou, Tidewater and one other who's name slips my mind right now.
The original of course was Redjacket. The first Canadian winner of the SORC series.
The four sisterships were built of solid fiberglass where as Redjacket was a cored hull.
Tidewater, the boat we are interested in, also did the SORC circuit for many years and was then cruised extensively in the southern Pacific.
Lately it has been moored in Sidney for some 20 odd years.

 

[RobGallagher]

That is a classic! Good luck and I hope you get her and take care of her I've had the good fortune of seeing Rob Ball speak and meeting him. Not sure if he was there in '67 but I'm pretty sure he was there before '70. He had some great stories about the good old days at C&C.

 

[RobGallagher]

If the deal falls through, you could always put in an offer on the new hull #1

2015 C&C Redline 41 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

 

[Dog Ship]

Thanks Rob, I hope this works out too.
The owner used to work at the Bruckmann Custom Shops. He took delivery of Tidewater from Cuthbertson himself.
I'm a huge C&C fan, have been for many decades. They are awesome boats.
I cannot think of too many 30 year old, 30 foot sailboats, that are still worth 30 grand. But many C&C's are just that.
The newer ones however don't really appeal to me so much. They just don't have the sweet lines of the older C&C's. And when the add say's "Call for price", that just tells me it's over priced. At $400,000+ it's way out of my price range.

 

[RobGallagher]

Thanks Rob, I hope this works out too.
The owner used to work at the Bruckmann Custom Shops. He took delivery of Tidewater from Cuthbertson himself.
I'm a huge C&C fan, have been for many decades. They are awesome boats.
I cannot think of too many 30 year old, 30 foot sailboats, that are still worth 30 grand. But many C&C's are just that.
The newer ones however don't really appeal to me so much. They just don't have the sweet lines of the older C&C's. And when the add say's "Call for price", that just tells me it's over priced. At $400,000+ it's way out of my price range.

Way over my head as well. However, I was on Jacknife, as well as a new 30 one design at a C&C gathering in Newport last September.

They are pricey, but seem very well built and from some of the stories I was told about the 30, it is SUPER fast. Actually, the name of the boat was Freaky Fast.

Barry Carroll did a talk on the docks about the old days at C&C and, of course, the new C&C designs. Fascinating.

Rob Ball joined us the first two years, at the Mystic Seaport, and then on Block Island, followed by Barry Carroll....I can't wait to see who shows up this fall in Clinton, CT...so if you are in the area keep us in mind!

Myself, I'm on my second C&C

 

[Dog Ship]

Other than the price the biggest thing that deters me from the new C&C's is the extensive use of composite materials. All the spars are carbon fibre, even the galley countertop, dinette table and many other flat surfaces are made of carbon fibre.
There is nothing wrong with an aluminum spars and a fibreglass hull. Why they have to stretch the limits of engineering is beyond me. I refer to this approach as "To much engineering and not enough boat". Saving a couple of pounds while sacrificing strength doesn't seem worth it.
The hull is molded from an undisclosed composite material and painted with Awlgrip.
There's nothing wrong with Awlgrip, my boat was painted with it years ago and it still looks great. The problem I have with it is when it is scratched it cannot be repaired like gelcoat can.
We have two decent scratches on our boat from the P/O that will require the entire boat to be repainted at a cost of $8000. As a result I have learned to live with these scratches.
C&C is also trying to market the Redline 41 as a racer/cruiser. Granted, it does have a head, galley and a comfortable looking interior.
It also has a saildrive, an open transom and a bulb keel. These features are not very conducive to cruising.
The cost of buying a boat in Canada is very expensive. There are some lenders who will finance a newer boat but the rates are high and the terms are short. For the most part, purchasing a boat in Canada is a cash deal. Not to many people have a few hundred grand kicking around to buy a boat.
Anyway, big day ahead of me and I have to get ready to head out.

 

[MedSailor]

Good luck! Sounds like a great boat with an amazing history!

MedSailor

 

[Minnewaska]

.....I was on Jacknife, as well as a new 30 one design at a C&C gathering in Newport last September......

Is that the Jackknife whose rudder was falling out at the start of a race last summer? I was sailing past her, while she was negotiating her rescue with the USCG.

 

[SloopJonB]

The cost of buying a boat in Canada is very expensive. There are some lenders who will finance a newer boat but the rates are high and the terms are short. For the most part, purchasing a boat in Canada is a cash deal. Not to many people have a few hundred grand kicking around to buy a boat.
Anyway, big day ahead of me and I have to get ready to head out.

Good luck - beautiful boats.

Best way to finance a boat here is with a Line of Credit. Generally requires you to have enough equity in real estate to provide the collateral. If you can do it the rates are as cheap as they come.

Shouldn't be buying sailboats before you own a house anyway.

 

[Faster]

....

Shouldn't be buying sailboats before you own a house anyway.

Don't tell our son that.. on boat # 3 before finally buying a place here in Vancouver...

 

[MedSailor]

My first 2 "houses" were sailboats...

 

[southbound]

It had been on my cruiser list before I actually got on one. Seems like it would be a great boat to race but there wasn't nearly enough headroom for me to comfortably spend a lot of time on it (at 6'3"). Pretty boat, though.

 

[Dog Ship]

Well I'm going to guess it's ours, I just have to wait until the owner is ready to part with it. Hopefully that will be this year. That's ok with us. We are not going anywhere while we still have our Landseer. This is the first step in a long term plan of cruising south and beyond.

And Jon, between my wife and I we have owned many houses over the years. The problem I find with a house is that they don't go to weather very well, nor do they float very good.
Personally I would never borrow money to buy a boat. There are to many risks and ongoing costs associated with owning a boat. This will be a cash deal.

 

[MedSailor]

Well I'm going to guess it's ours, I just have to wait until the owner is ready to part with it. Hopefully that will be this year. That's ok with us. We are not going anywhere while we still have our Landseer. This is the first step in a long term plan of cruising south and beyond.

And Jon, between my wife and I we have owned many houses over the years. The problem I find with a house is that they don't go to weather very well, nor do they float very good.
Personally I would never borrow money to buy a boat. There are to many risks and ongoing costs associated with owning a boat. This will be a cash deal.

I must be in the more advanced stages of the disease as I've always borrowed to buy boats. I make up for it by driving beater cars and having a really small house though.

How are you going to convince the owner to part with his boat? If he's not willing to sell now, what makes you think he will be?

MedSailor

 

[Dog Ship]

Well Medsailor,
I don't think this is a matter of convincing him to sell as much as it is the current owner looking for his baby's new owner. He's not going to sell it to just anyone.
He is looking for someone who has some knowledge about C&C's history and someone who will take care of and continue to improve his old girl. He has owned this boat for over 48 years.
Tidewater is actually 1 of 2 boats made before C&C was formed as a company.
Condor, in Lake Michigan, is her sister ship.
She is from the same mold as Red Jacket. This mold ended up being a swimming pool.

 

[MedSailor]

I understand completely. I rejected a full price offer for my sinking wooden boat because the buyer wasn't the right "parent" for my baby.

Curiously I parted with my second boat, the Formosa 41, to a card carrying member of the Aryan Nation who knew nothing about boats and wanted to paint the hull black with flames on the side....

Perhaps I was more emotionally attached to my first boat.

Sounds like you're doing well with your adoption interviews.

 

[SloopJonB]

Curiously I parted with my second boat, the Formosa 41, to a card carrying member of the Aryan Nation who knew nothing about boats and wanted to paint the hull black with flames on the side..

Is he planning on sailing it in Pelican Bay?

 

[aeventyr60]

Curiously I parted with my second boat, the Formosa 41, to a card carrying member of the Aryan Nation who knew nothing about boats and wanted to paint the hull black with flames on the side....

Surely flying a pirate flag and armed to the teeth.