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I think I have a problem. The kind of boat people tell me I should get, and the kind of boat I like are not exactly the same....so I need a boat, but what to get?

Let's start with what I want to do with it. So here are some basic requirements.

1. Cruise and stay aboard full time. I don't say liveaboard, because I'm looking to actively move from place to place, probably not staying in a single place more than a month, unless waiting out a weather season. But I will be living aboard. Cruising, we'll call it cruising full time. I am wanting more space than I have had in the past. Standing headroom. I am six feet even.

2. Of a size and design I can single hand. Everything from raising anchor alone, to raising sails, pulling into a slip. I want it easy to sail alone. So no forty footers, even if they are a blow out deal. Plus the cost and time of maintenance gets too high over mid thirties for one person.

3. Sail on the California coast, either from San Francisco to San Diego, or start in Southern California and cruise locally, with trips to the Channel Islands and Catalina to hone my skills and ready the boat. Then go to Mexico for winter and then Hawaii or the South Pacific. We don't know when that will happen, so we can start by finding a boat that is good for California coastal and likely Baja, with the ability to cross the pacific.

So that's the basics of what I need, here is what I understand and what I want, and why I think what I want contradicts what I need.

There is a spectrum of boats. On the left side of my mental diagram lie boats like albin vegas, Pearson tritons and cape dories. Heavy, old full keel boats with thick fiberglass, slow, but built like tanks. Able to withstand heavy weather. On the right side are hunters, Catalina's and the like. Lightly built, but with most of the cost going into a spacious modern interior. Creature comforts. Great to liveaboard and sail in protected waters. In the middle are boats like ericsons, newports and islanders and cals. Properly done able to safely take you anywhere. Spacious inside, but not too spacious. Moderately heavy, moderately fast.

I want a mid to late eighties fin keel, 30 feet, that is clean and nice and either well kept or mostly restored. It's high on my want list to be crisp and clean throughout. I want one of the mid range boats. Like an ericson 30. I also want an Olson 30, for whatever reason I really like the full on race boats, but hopefully you can convince me to stop looking at those. But I am looking. There's also a CF27 that looks pretty good, but I really like the Olson 30.

I had never seen an albin vega in real life that I knew of, one came to the dock and my friend said I had to go check it out. We had been talking about all these older boats and that they were what I needed. I looked at it and hated it. To me they are ugly, old and small. So narrow. Very outdated looking. But if that kind of boat is the right tool for the job, I'll get the right tool. It's just not appealing. But even if I didn't like land rovers, I wouldn't take a Ferrari across Africa.

I've been told it's a good time to buy a boat. I'm looking at craigslist everyday. I'm not finding much in the Bay Area, but a good amount in SoCal. If anyone knows a better resource than Craigslist though I am all for it.
 

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Budget, including refit?
 

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I think I have a problem. The kind of boat people tell me I should get, and the kind of boat I like are not exactly the same....so I need a boat, but wha to get.
I stopped after the above. GET THE BOAT YOU LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But other than that, if you don't know and have to ask stange people on the internet maybe you aren't ready for a boat.

And I mean this in a helpful way because I hope you get one, .................. that YOU like.
 

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good luck bud!

maye the SEARCH BE WITH YOU

now on a serious note

yankee 30 in california are cheap just be ready to pounce on them when they show up

however you have me worried about the age

mid eighties thats really reducing your options

as you know plenty of fin keelers and spades in the 70s too

my everyday searches are la, san diego and san fran bay...sailboat listings too and every once in a while a search on yachtworld

Ill be posting links for you

good luck!

christian

im just going gto put boats that fit your criteria, then you cando some homework on them and make a decision

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/4588425333.html
a sister ship to my boat at a steal of a price, damn! makes me mad almost
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/4618113374.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/4623373032.html

a cheapie lancer
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/4619386808.html

older criteria you had
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/4627335273.html
a seafarer 28
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/4591669996.html

the cal 3-30 are interesting boats, not the same as other vintage cals like the 29, 34 etc...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/4617019800.html

not my cup o tea but fits your criteria, lancers do howver not have the best build quality on some models
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/4603786801.html

here is a nice ericson 29 with some cruising equipment
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/4627387770.html

and here is a left fielder, old criteria you had and old school design but it has a new diesel...probably could get him don to 15k
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/4607661264.html

islander bahama 30 a decent bay boat...no frills
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/4607661264.html

another fast cal 34
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/boa/4619793873.html

and then of course there are always the classy classifieds...where every once in a while a great deal pops up
http://latitude38.com/classifieds/classy_categories.lasso#.U_UdcGPJA6E

there was a shipman 31 I was lusting for a while back and it was a hell of a deal...old design, but well built fast and strong

hey here is an intersting one(islander iona 30, its an ior boat) if you can get past the taxi cab color(although makes for a good color at sea) also A NEW YANMAR
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/boa/4607859968.html
 

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Has your Bristol been totaled?

A good choice for you seems like the Yankee 30

It's a heavily built but fast (due to a big rig) boat, plenty of comfortable room for living aboard solo, common in San Francisco where they are actively raced. The Tartan 30 is similar, but from what I've seen the Yankee 30 is better built (which is saying a lot since Tartans are already very nicely built boats).

The Yankee 30 is a much faster and larger and more comfortable boat than the Vega, which still being built to a similar level of robustness. Around Seattle they sell for $5-$20k depending on condition ($20k should get you a nearly new engine, interior, and sails). They have a nice motion in heavy seas.

Olson 30 barely has an interior. They seem like great boats to sail, but not great boats to live on for extended periods.
 

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Budget under 20.

I'm ready for a boat. I would rather have the wrong boat and be sailing than wait for months or years for the perfect boat. I'm very flexible on what I will be happy with.

You're not strangers, I love you all.

Then if I were you I would look for something that would be fun to sail and provide good use for the 95% of the sailing you currently feel you are going to do. And I would look for a popular model that is well know and probably has a good basis for it's price and resell opportunity later.

Something like a Catalina 30/32.

Plan to lose 20-30% at least on getting a boat now and moving up later, no matter what boat you start with if you are in the $20k market (that's a whore's market, just the way it is).
 

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The mid eighties, it's really more of a preference, and I really don't even have the knowledge to back it up. It was more again back to the story of the day my friend and I saw the albin vega come in, and we had been talking about the perfect boat for me. After I said I didn't like that one I walked to dock and found my favourite. Not my favourite of every single boat, but one I thought I could get. Without knowing I picked a 1989 ericson 38 or 39 and said I wanted that but smaller. So I'm totally flexible. Mostly I'm hoping for more living and storage space, and I think just like fin keels. I like the maneuverability. I like to push the rudder and it will turn.

Speaking of which, I would prefer the boat to be under 10,000 pounds and have a tiller. But again, I'm really flexible. As long as it can theoretically go anywhere and is shiny and clean I'm good. The biggest plus would be a windvane. I REALLY want a windvane. Also looking for pretty much ready to sail. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I don't want to do a restoration, or have to haul out right away. I want to get it, and sail. Like that cal looks ready to go. That's worth checking out. Here is another I need to go see.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4599528488.html

Whores market?

Keep me updated Christian! Find me that boat and I'll see you in El Salvador! Ill eat at your restaurant or something.
 

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posted a bunch of "your criteria" links with some left fielders and my kind of boats

that contest I saw a while ago, its a good deal and they are well made

oh did you see that islander 36 I posted? for 12k? thats a steal providing the bulkheads and keel bolts are ok thats a hige boat for the price

beamy, sail real well on all points of sail etc...

I know this isnt what you want but at this price???????????????
roomy galore and YES it will take you anywhere
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4624383407.html
yes a westsail 32 for this price is 1 in a million
 

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Oh dude, I want to leave today to go look at that islander. I'm about to give them a call. I'm probably leaving Tuesday next week. How long has that one been for sale?

You've been watching craigslist, how long do you think the turnover is on boats? Days, weeks, months? Are more people looking now that it is fall and they want to go to Mexico soon, or are more people selling, now that summer, and I use that term loosely for Southern California, is almost done.
 

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Oh dude, I want to leave today to go look at that islander. I'm about to give them a call. I'm probably leaving Tuesday next week. How long has that one been for sale?

You've been watching craigslist, how long do you think the turnover is on boats? Days, weeks, months? Are more people looking now that it is fall and they want to go to Mexico soon, or are more people selling, now that summer, and I use that term loosely for Southern California, is almost done.

it changes, sometimes they get swooped some of them have been for a while(late fall is a good time to buy as is winter as people arent in a sailing mode...however when its summer times there is more action out on the water and you get impulse sellers and buyers that want to change boats or get something new etc...

that islander hes been around for some months now

now before you hold me to any of these boats, due dilligence pays off

any boat I have ever sought I knew before I went to see it ALL its pros and cons, weakpoints and areas that need repair

so do some homework the more informed you are the faster and more you can negotiate with the seller...

:):):)
 
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I like this one although it seems overpriced but immaculately cared for
28' Luhrs S2 Sailboat
And I love this one
Columbia 9.6 Sailboat

Does craigslist email still get lost sometimes? Sometimes I write people and ask for their phone number and they never respond.
people want to call and be called it seems, less and less people respond to emails these days..just a fact.

that columbia has an awesome hybrud system however they are passing on that $$$ to you as a 9.6 at 22 is way overpriced no matter what

the islander 36 I linked to has a decent diesel and has maybe 50% more interior volume and is a better sailor too

Im intrigued by the islander iona too...thats a boat I havent seen up close...:)
 

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take this for what it's worth. I have never lived aboard, (my little 19'er wouldn't do) but I have lived in my 30" camper for a year and a half. I would not go for less than 30'.

my personal dream boat has been a hunter 35 although now days it's down to a 33'. love the sleek lines and the interior looks great. doesn't sound like you want to do any major ocean crossings so maybe the nicer interior and sleeker lines works rather than stodgy lines and hefty build.

good luck on your search and enjoy it. the hunt is fun.
 
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