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any thoughts on this boat? They are asking $9000 canadian with a trailer included (which I would like). The gas engine is unreliable so I would likely want to swap it for somthing else (used ideally).

I would not offer the full price but I'd like to know anyone's thoughts on the hinterhoellers in general. Also, any advice on how much to pay for a 20hp diesel and how to get the work done?

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Here's a review by an obviously enthusiastic owner.. looks like a classic plastic that could be a nice boat if you get one that's been looked after.

http://www.sailnet.com/boatchk/showproduct.php?product=819

Hinterhoeller was involved with C&C early on, and ultimately produced the Niagara and Nonsuch lines - which generally have a good rep. George Hinterhoeller gained his rep as a designer with the little ahead-of-its-time 24'Shark.

Heres a google search for some comparison shopping:

hinterhoeller hr 28 - Google Search
 

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H28s are very good, if Spartan by today's standards, lake boats. Think "Super-Shark". If it has an Atomic 4, it may be quite reliable indeed and can be rebuilt for less than the price of a new outboard. If it's just a crappy outboard in the well, the newer long-shafts are thriftier and quieter, but you still may have the issue of keeping the water out of the well. The HR-28 is very much a 'good old boat', but it will require a thorough survey, which might knock the price down as it is quite an elderly boat at this point.

Anyway, you might find this useful.

HINTERHOELLER 28
 

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It does indeed have an atomic 8. Any safety concerns if I just have her rebuilt, and not replaced by a diesel? Anything special I should know about the atomic 8?

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It is an Atomic 4 which stands for 4 cylinders. While diesel is generaly preferred there are a huge number of older boats around that have given long service with an Atomic 4. They are readily rebuilt.

If you were to install a diesel you could get away with a 13-15 hp unit but the installation would likely be more than what you would pay for the boat.

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We own Orion, hull number 53, which is a 1968 HR28. We sail on Lake Ontario, out of Wilson, NY. I believe we paid more than 9K cdn for her back around 1990. But of course everything is dependent on condition, as well as what both the buyer and seller are willing to accept for a price.

Ours is tiller-steered, OB equipped, and we are running a new 9.8 Nissan for the aux. If you have an A4-equipped HR28 and it needs a motor rebuild, you can buy a drop-in Universal diesel.

There is a lot to like about the HR28, and not too many downsides, though factory accommodations were Spartan to be sure. There were actually 2 series of HR28 hulls, and apparently 2 mast heights in addition. These boats were built specifically for the Great Lakes, and one has single-handedly made the trip to Cape Town (South Africa) and back.

They are heavily-built, have a PHRF around 200, and are typical of well-built, hand-laid racer/cruisers from the late 60's. There was a great website, but apparently the owner who ran it has disappeared.

Anything you want to know about the boat, just ask. I may have the answer.
 

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Hull 53? 1968???

I own On A Whim and have the original registry. My boat says it was built in 1967 and is hull number 54. Are you sure about the year yours was built? Also does anyone know the difference between an HR28 and a Hinterhoeller 28? There seems to be two hull designs. They are close, but the specs don't quite match up. Was the difference the optional atomic 4??? On A Whim resides in Baltimore Maryland after I brought it up from Annapolis...
 

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I own On A Whim and have the original registry. My boat says it was built in 1967 and is hull number 54. Are you sure about the year yours was built? Also does anyone know the difference between an HR28 and a Hinterhoeller 28? There seems to be two hull designs. They are close, but the specs don't quite match up. Was the difference the optional atomic 4??? On A Whim resides in Baltimore Maryland after I brought it up from Annapolis...
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HR 28 = Hinterhoeller 28
I'm not certain but I believe the build dates and hull numbers may be related to when the boat was first registered. We own the older variant and our Hull #25 has a Lloyd's registration date of 1966, yet there is another owner of Hull #23 who has a 1967 build date on his registry papers. Who knows why...

There are two different hulls. I believe the change occurred around Hull #49. The earlier variant came both with inboard engines and outboard wells as options as did the later. The earlier variant has a spoon entry at the bow as opposed to a more raked profile in the later. The later variant has much more volume above the waterline in the aft section and generally slightly more freeboard overall. Interiors are almost exactly the same with the newer model having much deeper storage in the bilge above the keel. The underwater profile of both models is virtually identical. Early models were fitted with only one set of lower shrouds while the later had dual inner shrouds. The very earliest models, say pre-20 had wooden spreaders. IIRC hulls pre-12 had a wooden boom as well. As far as mast height difference. I'm thinking this may be something of urban legend. I've bought the mainsail and a #2 jib from the newer #53 and they fit our boat almost exactly.

I've archived the previous HR 28 website content posted by Daniel Cooper in Quebec and am in the process of remounting a site dedicated to this good old boat. Keep a weather eye for that.
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Thanks ratty, let me know when you revive the HR 28 website...I was wondering what happened to that site. I've had mine for about 10 years now and she still sails great!
 

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I own On A Whim and have the original registry. My boat says it was built in 1967 and is hull number 54. Are you sure about the year yours was built? Also does anyone know the difference between an HR28 and a Hinterhoeller 28? There seems to be two hull designs. They are close, but the specs don't quite match up. Was the difference the optional atomic 4??? On A Whim resides in Baltimore Maryland after I brought it up from Annapolis...
I know that my Builder's Plate shows "HR28 68 53". The sails that came on ORION were definitely identified 53, and the NY registration, NY 7259 BX, states 1968. Hugh Clifford (now deceased) of Olcott, NY was the first owner. He had it custom-built with amidships enclosed head, on starboard. The head compartment mimics the galley cabinet, but is built full height to the coachroof. Nice symmetry. We are the third owners, having purchased the boat around 1991 from Hedley's yard in Olcott, NY.
 

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Thanks ratty, let me know when you revive the HR 28 website...I was wondering what happened to that site. I've had mine for about 10 years now and she still sails great!
I'll second the motion for an HR28 website. Really missing Daniel's site.
 

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Hey Paul,
I tried to send a personal message via this site but I need to have 5 posts to be able to do that. The delay in getting the site up has been due to spending all my spare time sailing the boat! I'd be interested in getting any images any HR28 owner would like to share. Prior to our last trip I shot a pile of images of the HR28 across the dock from us and there are some significant differences in his newer and our older variant of the boat. I want to highlight these items and am also interested in documenting any mods/fixes/hacks owners have done to their HR28's. Who knows what happened to Daniel. Sometimes people just get tired of maintaining a site. I anticipate having mine up around the first or second week of September.
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HR 28 Hull #54

Hello all,
I have a few pics of On A Whim I could share if you're getting your site up. I was thinking...if the boat they talked about had a lot of custom work done it may indeed have been cast earlier than mine but registered later. The hull number is when the cast it at the factory I would think...not the date its done and registered. I'm running a 2008 Yamaha 9.9 4 stroke high thrust in mine. It sits in the well and I do have problems with growth and need to pull it from time to time. The new 9.9 has electric tilt and I've pondered cutting a notch in the back so I can trim the prop out of the water, but am not sure what that would do for the integrity. In the Chesapeake growth occurs in a few months no matter how much I antifoul it. The soft paint works well on the hull, but the outboard always seems to get crusty. I think I'm close to 5 posts so I can probably put some pics up soon. I'm sitting in Fells Point in downtown Baltimore. Fall cruises down the Chesapeake are wonderful, although this August heat and humidity make it a chore this time of year. Looking forward to seeing your site...i wonder if you can get a list of people from the previous site to come aboard.

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Hey OnAWhim,

On Orion, we switched to a Nissan 9.8 long remote electric with HT prop last year. Works very well. Would have preferred a 15, but that would have required a shoehorn to install, and would have been a real bear to take in and out, being more than 25 pounds heavier.

Being in freshwater Lake Ontario, the growth is a lot less than you get. We are using Aurora antifouling wax (made in Canada) on the LU and prop for the first time this year. So far, it seems to be doing OK. Be careful using AF paints on the LU, since "regular" copper bottom paints will attack the aluminum housing. We never had really good results using any (even TriLux, made for outdrives) AF paint on the old 'rude OB -- had problems keeping the paint adhered to the LU.

Our hull (#53) was originally equipped with a short shaft OB, which could tilt inside the lazarette. If we were in a really high fouling area, or racing every week, we might well go back to short shaft to get the LU out of the water during the off days when we don't sail, or when racing.

I was thinking that if we wanted to be able to tilt a long OB, we would redesign the inner "false transom" motor mount, making it an articulated setup. That would be a big job. Since we have a relatively short season (late April - early October) in cool freshwater -- with minimal fouling (except for the damned zebra mussels), it's a lot easier to keep it as is.

I suppose you could open up the outer transom, but you would definitely want to reinforce the cutout area a lot. If you don't motor in huge waves much, maybe a better setup would be to run a short shaft OB, and just tilt it into the lazarette when done for the day.
 

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Ratty,

I think that many of the HR28's were semi-custom. I know that ours was a special order, because the original purchaser wanted a stand-up head compartment. We have done a few simple mods -- installed shore power, upgraded the DC system, constructed gas lockers in the lazarette, added a CDI furler, Dutchman, and Tides Marine Strong track, and have dorade boxes going on soon.

Would be happy to contribute a few pix to your site once it's running.

Where do you usually sail?
 
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