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Holly grail for new teak!

9128 Views 57 Replies 15 Participants Last post by wakesurfboy, Oct 21, 2009

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · Oct 14, 2009 (Edited)

Hello,

I Red lots of stuff (most of it scared me) in this forum about how to protect teak on boat. Mine is brand new so I want to have a PERFECT start and maintain it after. When you have a bad start on painting, difficult time after to come. Environmental stuff, very bad experience. Just scrap a Terra Cotta floor because the vendor changes my urethane for water based varnish that peel when a drop of water comes...

Oil: React with the caulking and the floor will turn gray?
Varnish: Peel after time?
Epoxy: UV Annihilation after time?
Cetol: Turn dark?

Varnish on epoxy is the holly grail? I like wet look but I hated gray or dark wook so oil is probably not a solution for me.

Remember my floor is brand new so it's not a refurbishing solution that I need but a first time, last time solution...

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wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #21 · Oct 15, 2009

Stillraining said:
Amen Brother...your catching on now..

What little exterior wood I have I wish was not there at all...nothing but a pain.

It's still time to remove the teak cockpit option (floor). My boat is a 2010 and not built yet so I can save $1200 but the floor will be fiberglass on the main deck area?

I order it mainly for look but is this option will add lot of maintenance + the cost ($1200), what is the advantage to keep this option?

Convince me guys...

hellosailor

· #22 · Oct 15, 2009

Look, if you want teak to look brand new all the time, keep it indoors and use it for furniture. Outdoors, you can coat it with things--and then you've just wasted all that money on teak and turned it into plastic.You can just buy plastic that looks the same and has zero maintenance.

A teak naturally ages, the softer parts wear and the harder "ridges" remain, which gives it a natural an permanent anti-skid that is gentle to the feet BUT dirt gets trapped in those ridges. Best way to keep it clean is a soft brush (so you don't tear out wood) and a gentle cleaner used frequently.

And the you use teak oil to "feed" the wood, keep out excess moisture, darken it up a bit, and make it lsat longer.

There's the natural approach, or the unnatural approach (trying to make teak do the job of plastic) which accomplishes nothing except proving you've got lots of time and money to invest. All that bright work is nice--if that's what you want to do.

Teak grate in the cockpit floor? Yes, you can use plastic like DriDeck instead, but the teak is classy, and it will keep your feet dry when there's always some water on the cockpit floor.

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MJBrown

· #23 · Oct 15, 2009

Go with Teakguard. It's a water based product that will not turn black on you like oil will. I'ts not slippery and holds it's color throughout the season. You can control how dark it gets with the number of coats you apply. Since it's water based it wipes off, if still wet, should you get it on the gel coat when applying. I keep a wet towel handy and check my work frequently. I've used it on my last boat for 7+ years and now on my my new Beneteau 43. A friend of mine just put it on his B49 and is quite happy with it.
Mike

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #24 · Oct 15, 2009

MJBrown said:
Go with Teakguard. I've used it on my last boat for 7+ years and now on my my new Beneteau 43. Mike

So I found the Holly Grail for teak, Teakguard?

baboon

· #25 · Oct 15, 2009

If the boat is not yet built, you might want to re-think the whole exterior wood thing. On a modern glass boat it is all about looks, so if you love it, do it.

The boat will outlast the wood, and it will have to be replaced at some point at great expense (not a worry if you have moved on to the next boat by then). The maintence is time spent not sailing, and it seems the best days to do wood work are early spring sunny days when I would rather be out on the water. The cost of the wood option, and the cost of ongoing maintence, could pay for other things on the boat you will find more usefull in the long run.

Most sailors I know who are shopping for their second or third boat end up looking for one with no exterior wood. Althought the wood is beautiful, enthusiam for it seems to shrink with time and experience.

MJBrown

· #26 · Oct 15, 2009

wakesurfboy, it's the best I've found so far. It does fade as the season wears on but you can just wash it when you clean the boat, let it dry and apply another coat. It really is easy and looks great. If you're not happy with it then just let it fade and go with something else. There's no residual like oil, cetol or varnish does. I'm very particular about my boat (that's anal to most folks) and wouldn't use anything else.

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #27 · Oct 15, 2009

baboon said:
If the boat is not yet built, you might want to re-think the whole exterior wood thing. On a modern glass boat it is all about looks, so if you love it, do it.

I agree but the boat is comming standard with many wooden stuff :

- teak is present seating area, transom, transom steps and rail!

So by addind the the teak on floor inlay don't make a lot more of teak and for me, the boat will be more coherant (all the back of the boat with Teak).

I like the idea of Teakguard, someone as experience with this product?

badsanta

· #28 · Oct 15, 2009

As soon as they invent a teak colored starboard I'm changing everything.

Stillraining

· #29 · Oct 15, 2009 (Edited)

I never have liked grating in a cockpit myself so that's a moot point for me..I have tender feet so it nixes any barefoot comfort for this kid and I also hate always lifting them to get a good clean job done on the underlying fiberglass deck.

It is beautiful as a whole in your picture ( when new)...but for 1200.00 I'd pass in a nano second.

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #30 · Oct 15, 2009

Stillraining said:
It is beautiful as a whole in your picture ( when new)...but for 1200.00 I'd pass in a nano second.

True but the boat is paid in USD and I have CAD. Right now, the CAD gaining 1% per day on USD so I only have to wait 1/2 day before changing currency to get the cockpit floor option for free...

Stillraining

· #31 · Oct 15, 2009

Well Id just wait 3 more days then and go for a sunlight viewable 21" remote touch screen nav monitor for my stearing pedistal... for my computer based nav station then..

Ninefingers

· #32 · Oct 15, 2009

Sorry, first post here, but I had to chime in.

That looks more like Garapa than teak, (from your pic). Both SA hardwoods, but they behave differently with oil.

Teak absorbs oil kind of "wonkily" in grooves and it raises grain. Garapa is much more closed grain and accepts oiling more evenly.

If it's teak, I wouldn't oil it or treat it with anything. If it's Garapa, a UV protecting oil will help keep it new.

The brochure may say it's teak, but...........

Garapa is cheaper, but heavier FYI.

Stillraining

· #33 · Oct 16, 2009

Good first post...Welcome aboard...so I have to ask... what happened to #10?

Ninefingers

· #34 · Oct 16, 2009

Thanks for the welcome. I'll wear it out soon with ??????'s

Ol' #10 had fight with a circular saw and lost. Got me at the first knuckle. Not all that big of a deal really, but I had to come up with a username and I was feeling nostalgic.

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #35 · Oct 16, 2009

Ninefingers said:
Sorry, first post here, but I had to chime in. That looks more like Garapa than teak

I double check with documentation and there is not formal mention of teak... So it's wood and I don't know whitch type of wood.

Very good first post niner.

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #36 · Oct 16, 2009

Here another photo of the wood used on exterior of the boat:

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Stillraining

· #37 · Oct 16, 2009 (Edited)

Ninefingers said:
Thanks for the welcome. I'll wear it out soon with ??????'s

Ol' #10 had fight with a circular saw and lost. Got me at the first knuckle. Not all that big of a deal really, but I had to come up with a username and I was feeling nostalgic.

Ouch!............ya...and its a lot shorter Handel then "This little pinkie went wee wee wee all the way home"..

I'm actually 9 and three quarters myself...............Sheet metal break

Dang! Wake surf boy that is a beautiful boat...Hey there you are hanging of the stern...how about that.

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #38 · Oct 17, 2009

Ninefingers said:
That looks more like Garapa than teak, (from your pic).

You make me very confuse and feel like an idiot when you said Garapa, not teak...

I double check with the dealer and other source and all confirm the wood is TEAK!

The dealer tells me exactly the same recommendation as the experience guys here in the forum, don't touch the teak and wash it only...

Also, he recommend to keep the teak cockpit floor because when I will move the boat to south, on sunny day, the teak is more comfy compare to fiberglass (turn super hot).

Stillraining

· #39 · Oct 17, 2009

So now the .98 cent question....whatca-goona-do?..

wakesurfboy

Discussion Starter · #40 · Oct 17, 2009

Stillraining said:
So now the .98 cent question....whatca-goona-do?..

Wait for a USDown!!!

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