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Nice idea

Those look to be a pretty nifty idea.




I saved your images, (I hope that's ok). I have a Cal21 that I wanted to put up and I also have had trouble locating stands that are sutiable. Granted the 1,500 pounds I am planning to support doesn't compare to your needs, but if properly executed,
you should be ok. If you need to you can always make more. Noah's boat was held up with wood, no? Good luck and work with many hands. Jim B.
 

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One more thing

I can't see in the pictures but you might want to put squares of 3/4" plywood under the main load bearing timbers (maybe doubled up), to spread the load to help keep it from settling too much. Again, the best too you.
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Wood is amazingly strong in compression, and those are built to take advantage of the strength. So I wouldn't worry about them failing. Being made of wolmanized wood, they could conceivably outlast metal ones

Depending on what the cost is, If you are any good with tools, it would be a simple thing to make up some custom stands using the threaded adjusters and plates on them, or buy your own:

Scaffold Swivel Jack - Scaffold, Scaffolding from ScaffoldMart
At six inch extension there's something like a 10,00lbs safe working load on them.

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The stands look like they will work fine. I would be concerned about one detail that can easily be dealt with. The poppets[swivel pads] appear to be mounted into the vertical standards by drilling a hole in the end of the p.t. 4x4. If this union were to be side-loaded, it could split through the side of the 4x4 due to the allignment with the grain pattern in the wood. I would wrap the end with epoxy and glass tape, hose clamps, or even a whipping with parachute cord to prevent this. The poppets appear to be from Brownell or Hostar stands. Being the most expensive part of commercial stands, you could easily duplicate the lower halves with pipe and angle economically at a local welding shop if you wanted all metal stands. Metal stands are available through West Marine.[I buy them on my Port Supply account regularly.] They can also be ordered from the Hostar website.[they build hydraulic boat trailers similar to Brownell's]
 

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Defender sells Brownell jack stands. They also sell the screw swivel tops if you want to make the bottoms of wood.
 

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Your insurance company would likely laugh at your claim if/when these failed.
I know us boaters can be cheap but, given the price of proper stands, some things are just not worth doing on the cheap.
 

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The stands look like they will work fine. I would be concerned about one detail that can easily be dealt with. The poppets[swivel pads] appear to be mounted into the vertical standards by drilling a hole in the end of the p.t. 4x4. If this union were to be side-loaded, it could split through the side of the 4x4 due to the allignment with the grain pattern in the wood. I would wrap the end with epoxy and glass tape, hose clamps, or even a whipping with parachute cord to prevent this. The poppets appear to be from Brownell or Hostar stands. Being the most expensive part of commercial stands, you could easily duplicate the lower halves with pipe and angle economically at a local welding shop if you wanted all metal stands. Metal stands are available through West Marine.[I buy them on my Port Supply account regularly.] They can also be ordered from the Hostar website.[they build hydraulic boat trailers similar to Brownell's]
I'm not sure that you're looking at thesame stands that I am, but the main supports that I see are more like 6x6's or even bigger. I don't see them breaking out. Stands are for side support, they keep the boat upright. They really don't hold the weight of the boat.

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Not my insurance company! I only have the absolute minimum insurance possible, a requirement by my marina. And, as we all know, the absolute minimum insurance is only insurance by name, but will do nearly nothing to help with financial help.

The industry of insurance only exists because it is the status quo. It does not provide any real service to most, and is only purchased because it is a legal requirement. It is only a legal requirement because of the powerful lobbies of the insurance industry. Hence, I see it as extortion.
 

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Not my insurance company! I only have the absolute minimum insurance possible, a requirement by my marina. And, as we all know, the absolute minimum insurance is only insurance by name, but will do nearly nothing to help with financial help.

The industry of insurance only exists because it is the status quo. It does not provide any real service to most, and is only purchased because it is a legal requirement. It is only a legal requirement because of the powerful lobbies of the insurance industry. Hence, I see it as extortion.
That a very cavalier attitude. I don't want this to revert to some philosophical issue you have with the concept of insurance but suffice it to say we had a fire on our (new) boat 7 years ago which totally destroyed it. Had the same thing happened to you and you were out $400,000, you'd sing a different tune.

I care nothing if you or someone else has insurance; just stay away from the rest of us.
 

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Not my insurance company! I only have the absolute minimum insurance possible, a requirement by my marina. And, as we all know, the absolute minimum insurance is only insurance by name, but will do nearly nothing to help with financial help.

The industry of insurance only exists because it is the status quo. It does not provide any real service to most, and is only purchased because it is a legal requirement. It is only a legal requirement because of the powerful lobbies of the insurance industry. Hence, I see it as extortion.
Well said by a college student who owns a 1968 24 foot Inlander. You were not a member of Sailnet when I was run down from behind by a power boat. He to only had minimum Insurance coverage. Unfortunate for both him and my wife, she not injured minimally. The jury verdict was 3 times his insurance limits. He was personally responsible for the difference after his insurance payed. So our attorney wanting to get paid, filed with the court to enforce the verdict. That meant seize his house and sell it at a public action and attach his earnings to help pay my wifes medical costs and losses.

He was called back into court to explain to the judge if could afford to pay the verdict or if the court should seize the property. He said to the judge that he would burn down his house before he would see sold at auction. The judge slapped a body attachment on him which meant he stayed in jail until the verdict was satisfied to protect the assets.

!0 days later, A certified check was at the court house. It's our understanding that he had to cash in investments, retirement accounts and re mortgage his house.

But think of what he saved not buying those higher insurance limits.
 

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The skinny piece is the outer skin of a 500,000 dollar J-160 that did NOT have enough stands last winter and i dug it out of ONE of the many UNUSED stands it fell on to
 

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The skinny piece is the outer skin of a 500,000 dollar J-160 that did NOT have enough stands last winter and i dug it out of ONE of the many UNUSED stands it fell on to
What does this have to do with the strength of the wooden stands? What you're talking about has to do with the stupidity of the yard that put the boat on the stands. Sounds like a new boat to me!

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I think the point is there are two lessons to be learned - that people who try to save a few dollars on the wrong things usually end up learning a very expensive lesson. The second lesson we learn here is those same people don't like to hear the first lesson.
 

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well

It has to do with stands failing ,these folded in a 60 knot storm BUT the boat was on the hard masr-up

AND he already bought the tops of the stands which is 2/3 of the total cost anyway ?
 

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Why live by the insurance company? The insurance industry is a bunch of extortive bullshite anyway!
I agree 100%. If the ins. co. wants, they'll find a reason to deny your claim. Regardless if you have made routine and on-time payments for years. It wouldn't suprise me that certain accounts are randomized to be denied to maintain profitability :mad:
 

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I agree 100%. If the ins. co. wants, they'll find a reason to deny your claim. Regardless if you have made routine and on-time payments for years. It wouldn't suprise me that certain accounts are randomized to be denied to maintain profitability :mad:
Randomized? I thought ALL insurance companies denied all claims until you took them to court... That's basically my experience anyways.

I agree with Tager about legally required private insurance amounting to extortion. It gives them a captive audience- they can literally charge as much as you can possibly afford to pay, and pay out only when ordered to do so by a judge but you'll keep buying it!
 
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