· first sailed january 2008
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Can we all remember that sailing is fun? This isn't a divorce support forum. Why so serious?
Apologies for not responding to this sooner...I believe this is international and not just relating to Australia but as far as I am aware Avon no longer produce the fold down transom boat that JE has. However since the takeover of Avon by Zodiac, Zodiac themselves now offer a fold down transom in two sizes. I'm guessing its basically the Avon in Zodiac colours.
How do Achilles compare to Zodiac ?
Hi Rick. Happy to help
Let me give you my down and dirty.
The inflatable boat biz is changing. Lots of players, many using each other's fabrics......some even building at the same factory.
Lots of new players coming to the US market. Some Korean production (not so great), some Chinese production (depends which factory is doing the building) and some from Croatia (Grand & Brig).
With Avon gone, I feel that Achilles has moved into the #1 spot from a service/quality/value perspective.
AB is doing better, but you really have to want an AB to pay for what they cost today.
Novurania bought Nautica's assets and I hope that leads to some smaller RIBs, but too soon to say. My all-time favorite RIB was the NU 320TR.
Mercury uses Achilles fabric on their CSM-Hypalon boats.
Zodiac Cadet RIBs in CSM-Hypalon are now being built with Achilles fabric.
Defender RIBs are also built with Achilles fabric (but I like a matte finish, so I went with that over the gloss used by others).
The above three brands are all built at the same factory now.....the best one in China. I have sold about 5000 boats that came out of that factory.
Lots of confidence in their ability and continue to find them excelling at what they do.
Lots of new players that are offering RIBs from the Pacific Rim, but few have a service network. Most do not have liability insurance and most are brands that will not likely be around for support when you need it.
West Marine. I understand that Zodiac and West are going down separate paths (that is all I will write here). West will go with another Vendor for their inflatable boats, probably the South Korean one that they have use for a couple of their existing models.
Caribe. The old Caribe boats may not be available in the US. Old distributor went with a line out of Korea (Highfield). Though they look nice on the showroom floor, I have owned and sold painted aluminum RIBs in the past......and simply put, cannot suggest that anyone buy one uless they like peeling paint. AB is now offering most of their RIB model in an unpainted aluminum and that is the way to go for an aluminum hull. Though, as stated above, be prepared to pay for it.
If you want to discuss over the phone, feel free to give me a shout.
To me, the best value in a lightweight RIB is my Defender boat (but, hell yeah, I am partial and I have a horse in the race).
Best value for a flat deck RIB with bow locker is the Achilles HB series, hands down.
New Zodiac Cadet RIBs and Mercury RIBs with flat decks are nice, but wayyy too heavy.
Happy Holidays to you all.
Hi Rick. Happy to help
I don't think it's clear when you are joking around, sir, and it's definitely not funny stuff. I think a 10'RIB on a 26' boat is ridiculous. Was that the joke? Or was the boat a big chick magnet meant to say a BIG CHICK magnet. That's funny, I think, but wait... that was my joke , not yours.Yeah. Nobody liked my fights joke either. Can't people tell Im joking around? I mean. I want help and good advice, but at the same time we're talking about dinghies. It's all fun. If you want to row, sail, motor....it doesn't matter. I mean, not to the point of gettin mad at each other. You can have a dinghy the size of a Washington state ferry for all I care.
there are many threads with that title, you just have to read between the lines...Having slept on my previous post, rather than offer an apology, I would now like to propose a new sub-forum for folks just fooling on the net around along the lines of:
Dudes, I'm sitting at work bored as **** so here's a coupla goofy ideas I've had. I don't really care whacha think cuz I'm just fooling around so like don't take this seriously.
With that kind of truth-in-advertising, genuinely helpful and knowledgeable people wouldn't bother to respond. And attention-getters could have their little 5 minutes in the sunshine.
Bingo! We adjust the dinghy multiple times per day so it is always surfing the stern wave. It makes a HUGE difference in limiting drag. Course if we want no drag it goes in the davits,, if calm, or on deck if rough...We tow the dinghy on a single line a boat length or so back, trying to keep it on the front side of the first wave back. I'll leave the outboard on in calm weather and for short tows otherwise the engine goes on a pushpit bracket.
After 35+ years and tens of thousands of miles of towing dinghies, both hard and soft, never a single issue, not even a wrapped painter. Every time we anchor or stop I simply reach over a "short rope" the dinghy. It is like a third sense and just happens automatically. You get used to it...We don't tow our dink, ever, never, no way, no how. no davits either. It goes on deck. I don't know the best way, no way works best for me.