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Posted on another forum, surprised it hasn't made it here, yet... Dramatic, to say the least...

Absolutely boggles the mind, that any crew would be on deck, apparently untethered, or out of the cockpit during such an approach, with that sort of swell running... That captain is an utter fool, not to have ordered everyone off the deck, especially after hesitating and turning around during his initial approach, in a apparent effort to read the oncoming set... He is remarkably lucky, that none of his crew/passengers were killed...

Here's the harbor in question, Zumaia, Spain... Perhaps Paulo is familiar with it? Bay of Biscay tells you pretty much all you need to know...





Velero volcado en Zumaia on Vimeo
 

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Having been knocked flat on our ear in a storm, by surfing a cresting wave and then stuffing the bow, that is exactly how I remember self righting.

Ours may have been a tad slower, due to the small storm stay sail that was up, but still it happens way faster and way more abruptly than one would think..

That Bavaria (?) stood up and brushed herself off pretty damn quickly..... I like the spray of water being whipped by the mast head.....

Crazy stuff...
 

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Hard to watch, it was so painful. Who would even sit on deck, seeing what was coming.
 

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Hindsight being 20/20 and the usual armchair quarterbacking rules in force...

I was surprised he didn't have the three people on the bow & midships moved to all the way back. IMHO you need the weight aft to keep the rudder in the water and you need to be pointed 100% away from the wave. He caught the wave on the side instead of on the transom. And even if he caught it on the transom, you could see how low the bow was in the water, making it's own little rudder effect. The boat would have rotated sideways and flipped anyway with all that weight forward. (More from surf kayaking than any experience like that.)

Very painful to watch.

Again, IMHO, it also shows the importance of having a Lifesling or throwing line. If the current was heading out of the inlet stronger, the swimmers would have been swept back out the inlet. As it was, someone else had to go and get them.

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In situation like this, do I suppose its better to have the small powerboat rescue the MOB than using the sailboat? Which was why the sailboat didn't rescue the MOB. Right? I would expect the powerboat to throw a line and drag the MOB to calmer water before rescuing them onboard. Right?
 

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loading the vid, but wanted to say thats where I specialized in cooking, in donostia...

took my road bike there and road all the way to getaria, where some of the best txakoli is made

anywhoo remember the coast very well, very very pictoresque and VERY dangerous...

viscaya is to be feared
 

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Hard to watch, it was so painful. Who would even sit on deck, seeing what was coming.
these are normal entrances all over gipuzkoa

normal entries...saw it all the time all over the coast...now I never made it to this entrance I saw it even in la concha in donostia

now I hate armchair 2020 hindsight comments but our entrance here in el salvador where my boat is has exactly the same wave pattern....

you surf into the harbor and if you dont time it right this can happen

one thing I did not notice was a lookout towards the back...

there was absolutely no helm reaction to the wave that crashed over them...

when entering our estuary here you need hard over massive amounts of helm input...

just sayin

sad but this is really how it is there and elsewhere

the spanish coast if viscaya is impressive there are winds that pipe up all of a sudden, I forgot the name but they are like micro bursts of winds up to 100mph...

I experienced this right on the coast of san sebastian and all I could think of was holy **** what if I was on a boat out there when that hit:confused:

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So nobody gonna badmouth the stink potters ? :)
The harbour entrance in my avatar is where I learned to sail. No sailboats in that harbour, 40 -65' wooden powerboats.
 

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I've been through some of the nastiest inlets in the U.S. but only in a powerboat - never would even consider some of them in a sailboat. Great Machapongo Inlet immediately comes to mind when I saw that. The standing wave at the end of Great Machapongo Inlet was 12 to 15 feet when the tide was screaming ebb. Punching through that with 150 HP Yamaha on a 21-foot center console powerboat put an entirely new meaning to the work FEAR! In a sailboat, it would be considered suicidal.

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I imagine he's looking for new crew at this point.

Is this the same place? Sure looks like it.
 

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Here's the rest of the sequence.
 

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And the finale.
 

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So nobody gonna badmouth the stink potters ? :)......
Now that you mention it, probably a stinkpotter at the helm. A true sailor would be hove to offshore. :)
 

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So nobody gonna badmouth the stink potters ? :)
I realize you're probably kidding, but no way, those dudes had some balls to go pick up what were probably strangers in the water. They had a real risk of capsizing in that tiny boat and it took some skill on the driver's part to avoid the breakers. Those guys were a success all the way around.
 

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I have read a post event anaysis some time ago and from memory,

It was a race day and the boats were returning to the marina, something they all had done many times before.

The experienced crew all went overboard, 3 novices left onboard which explains why they did not try to recover the MOBs.

The mobo who came out swapped passengers [ wife and child ? ] for a strong crew member from the Bav before they tried to rescue the MOBs.
 

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I have read a post event anaysis some time ago and from memory,

It was a race day and the boats were returning to the marina, something they all had done many times before.

The experienced crew all went overboard, 3 novices left onboard which explains why they did not try to recover the MOBs.

The mobo who came out swapped passengers [ wife and child ? ] for a strong crew member from the Bav before they tried to rescue the MOBs.
That sounds like a description of a different event. This one happened earlier this month, and was just posted on Vimeo a few days ago...

That would be REALLY scary if it were the more EXPERIENCED crew that were sitting on deck untethered, and the less experienced were in the cockpit, and at the helm... :)

By the look of it to me, I think the main reason the Bavaria 38 didn't attempt the recovery, is that the people in the water quickly drifted into pretty shoal water... the behavior of the waves in that area indicate it was pretty shoal, and the rescue boat was obviously concerned about getting caught by a breaking sea...

Given the configuration of that entrance, it's very likely that the river scours out the channel along the longer breakwater to starboard, and the water shoals quickly off to port beyond the end of the the shorter jetty to port...





 

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would anyone here dare to turn the boat into those braking waves, try to pick up the MOBs and risk the boat and eventually all on board?
apart from not having the crew tethered to the boat, the skipper just did the only reasonable thing and getting his and the rest of the crews arses out of it and call for assistance...

i heard about some entrances along this coast being really dangerous but wow... now having seen this, it scares the heck out of me... :eek:
 
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