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I recently moved to Florida and thinking about buying a boat. My main concern is the upcoming hurricane season. I’m on the road for most of the week. So, where do I find a marina that’s kind of save?

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Nowhere, if you arent there to take the boat with you or have enough insurance on what ever you buy to replace it. Having survived hurricane Andrew and tornados to numerous to mention my best advice is to get out or pray. Mike
 

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As one who has lived here all of his life, and currently living aboard in the Burnt Store Marina just south of Punta Gorda, I can safely tell you not to get too obsessed over hurricanes and tornadoes. They are far more rare than you think. I would worry more if I lived in a mobile home park...

Andrew was a long time ago, and if you look at the history of hurricanes...and where they have hit the state....you''ll see why most of us natives and those with sand in their shoes don''t spend a whole lot of time worrying about some wind and rain.

If you are looking for a marina, where to keep your boat is dependent on type of boat, size of boat, where in the state you are, and what type of storage you want.

As to hurricanes.......think of it this way: Would Disney and all these other people have spent billions putting up the stuff they have if they were worried about it getting destroyed?
 

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Enzo, I would encourage you to consider boat ownership for reasons exclusive of a concern about violent storms (microbursts, tornadoes, hurricanes all occur in Florida). But that advice comes with an assumption: that you fully insure & can stand the loss of the boat, emotionally.

Advice based on where storms have hit in the past is meaningless. There is no relationship between the specific path of the next storm and any prior storm, despite historic storm tracks. If there were, that''s where everyone would build, that''s where insurance rates would be low, etc. Advice based on other businesses having relocated to Florida is silly; they insure themselves and these days have cross-corporate agreements or their own alternate stand-up sites, so that loss of a building doesn''t hurt the buxiness. Some businesses choose not to locate in Florida''s main commerical centers (Tampa, Miami, Jax) specifically because the possibility of and cost to protect against storm damage is weighed so heavily. Others relocate only to subsequently learn than "protecting" the business from storm damage thru innovative design and massive construction techniques is no guarantee: one good example of this is the new Burger King HQ bldg., which was almost leveled by Andrew.

If you put the boat in a marina - which can be defined as a place with concrete/immobile bulkheads, deeply driven pilings and other boats some of which are not properly secured - you have to accept the reality that Mother Nature may ultimately have more to say about the health of your boat than assurances from natives with sand in their shoes. There are a number of discrete actions you and also the marina can take to protect portable property, reduce damage and ease your anxieties. But if there was a way to be certain you can avoid damage, we''d all be doing it.

Having said all that, the chance that the 1 or 2 major storms that approach within 100 NM of ''your'' part of Florida in a given year is small. It would be a terrible thing to avoid a boat you otherwise would like to have due to a fear that''s small & manageable, at least IMO.

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I recently became the proud owner of a Hobie 21SC. I would like to take a week off and sail in the Keys this summer. Do you know of any available spots that can accomodate a trailered boat, and places to sail where one can ''beach'' the cat for snorkeling, swimming, eating, etc.?
 

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Welcome Hobie 21SC sailor, There are so many places to launch a boat for little or no fee it is amazing. The state parks offer many other options as well. The middle keys and in particular Marathon are friendly towns. I have enjoyed some of the best snorkling off the western side of Grassy Key and Tom''s Island and channel. The fishing is great as well.Beaches are a little harder to come by but your mobility on the water to access private spots non boat owners will never see. Good luck and there are many local maps and free newspapers available when you get there. Any othe questions feel free to ask. Big Red 56
 

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jack...congratulations, you missed my point entirely. And its somewhat obvious you know little or nothing about Florida and its history of hurricanes. Actually, many businesses have located precisely where they are because of historical storm tracks, and many actuarials place much stock in them, otherwise insurance premiums would be universal...right? Yep, thats right. But Disney for instance built where they did because 1. the land was dirt cheap, and 2. Central Florida has historically had very little bad weather...even when Donna came through there was very little damage. Gee, I wonder where Disney''s spare offsite park is hidden?...sheesh!

The point that you missed entirely and tried so adroitly to dismiss was the fact that in reality....gven the number of hurricanes that are spawned in the Carribean...so, so, so very few ever really affect Florida. The majority of them miss Florida on the east and go to GA, SC, NC or even farther north, and the others for the most part head for AL, MS, LA, and TX. Andrew was an "exception", not the rule.

MY whole point was simple: Don''t let the alarmist cretins scare you out of enjoying a life while you live in Florida. I have lived here all my life...see a few hurricanes, seen a few tornadoes, and some real lightning shows...but nothing yet that would dissuade me from owning a boat. Shucks, I live on a 33 Morgan OI in SW Florida.....and trust me, I am not the least bit worried about hurricanes, storms, or anything else. Its all insured completely. Emotional attachment? Uh, theres a problem.... Not one I have. A boat is a thing that can be repaired or replaced...not much emotion there.

But I''ll tell you what..you and the other fella please keep up the doomsday prophecies and maybe you can scare a few of the carpetbaggers into going back north, then maybe Florida will again be the eally nice place it was when I was a kid....a place where most people spoke "southern", and people were polite. Have a nice day, y''all.
 

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My dearest Rob, Your contention that you as a native of Florida your entire life somehow makes your opinion of greater value than others is as simple as you are . Having sailed your waters for years and experienced some of the nastiest weather of my life in your backyard dosent scare me half as much as the stupidity of ignoring the obvious fact that the risks of Florida are very high and my point was that either you insure your boat or take it with you when you leave . To think that there is any one place safer than another is foolish. Insurance is just the smart thing to do unless you have money to burn in which case why would you care to ask? Lastly if you don''t have an emotional attachment to your boat you''ve never had to bet your life on one but don''t worry If I see you in distress some day I throw you a nice boyant carpet bag full of bricks. Grow Up.
 

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Enzo...simply put...go ahead and buy the
boat. Just remember owning a boat anywhere is not cheap and FL has its risks but it also
has its advantages. Just buy one that you can re-sell easily if you want to get out.

Regarding Yankees with bags...I might remind
one of the posters that in most cases those
bags have been filled with money that has
boosted the FL economy. No matter where you
cruise, the joy of leaving any of those "land" problems behind is worth it IMHO
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I have lived in florida for 37 years which is all my life. Don''t let a bunch of hype about hurricanes scare you. I think if you see a hurricane coming you should drop what your doing and get home and secure your boat. Hurricanes are very serious and you should heed all warnings I have been through a few myself. Just how safe your boat is depends on so many things. I prefer to dock my 28 morgan behind a private home wich is on a small canal that takes a few turns of the ICW. When a storm approaches we all move or boats to the middle of the canal and tie off on each others docks and anything else we can find to tie to. I''m no expert but I''ve seen a lot of pictures of boats tied up in marinas piled up after a storm. If the boat owner in the next slip does''nt take the proper care then your boat can''t be very safe no matter what you do. I feel where I''m at is safer than many marinas in the area. Also its much cheaper for me than a marina. I say just find what you feel to be the safest dock, pay your insurance, and enjoy your boat like the rest of us do here in beautiful sunny south florida. If tragedy strikes you can allways get another boat and fall in love all over again.
 

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Red...whats sad is the fact that you obviously didn''t really bother to read what I said....and its somewhat obvious that you have a narrow viewpoint and suffer from the same malady many displaced carpetbaggers have. Its know as "Opti-rectitus", that being having tunnel vision caused by have cranium in rectal defilade thereby having your eyesight sorely limited by the hole in your rectum.

Not everyone on the planet is an alarmist. I have boated and sailed in far worse weather than FL. Insurance....shucks I have lots of it...and yes a good bit on my boat. Shucks, I''m not stupid!

Reread what I said....it makes sense, at least to someone who knows more than just alittle about Florida.
 

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Lil''red........ I just wanted to clarify something...or a couple of things. I don''t think that my opinion is of greater value than anyone elses.....but you apparently did, and probably because my opinion is based on 50 years of actual experience, so maybe you''re right...my knowledge is of greater value than the bleating noises made by people like you...."carpetbaggers with limited knowledge of Florida and its environs".

Cheap shots....it seems like that is what people of low social standing and low self esteem tend to run for when they can''t do more than blather and bleat without a fact to stand on. You really need to reach down between your legs and pull your head out of rectal defilade.

Historical tracking is the basis for all of the models that are used to project the track of a hurricane.....just call NOAA, they''ll confirm it. And just so you know, most of the damage to real estate in south Florida was not strictly due to Andrew, but as they later found out......shoddy construction, even worse inspections, ad nauseum.

As to Maydays and such, I tend to take things like that most serious, so your comment about "finding me in distress and throwing me a carpetbag loaded with bricks", just really goes to show just how low class you are. I think that maybe you need to grow up and get a grip on reality.

Beyond that, with regards to the weather....
We''uns know when to come in out of the rain.
 

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Having been here most of my life, there is NO safe place.. One just accepts the fact and does the best one can.
Tornados, Wind Storms ect this tiem of year are to be expected along with tropical depressions.
Today while on the water We seen a nasty waterspout... All normal in This area.
Onlything one can do on a upcoming Hurricane is pull the boat out.
In 98 I was trying to gey my boat pulled quick as Hurricane Georges was on the West Coast.. Everybody was freaking out and one could not get into a hauler... I wound up Anchoring in the middle of Charlotte Harbor
on 500 ft of line.. Hurricane passed offshore by about 90miles.. We still had wind gusts 40-50 mph..
Hurricanes... dont worry of them, but evac if they come..
Its nomal Florida Cracker life to accept them
Dont ruin your fun in dread of them.
 

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Thank You, Iron Wind!

That is exactly the point that I have tried to make. The weather here is a fact of life.
You learn to live with it and accept it as it comes and do what you have to when the heavy weather comes.

Its no different than being up in the great white north in the winter...take Illinois for instance....blizzards, ice storms, hellacious cold in the winter, severe thunderstorms and tons of tornadoes in the spring and summer. They learn to live with it or move somewhere else.

I am in complete agreement with you. You cannot allow the weather here to determine what happens in your life. You have to take your fun where you can and get on with your life.

Also, based on the history and frequency of hurricanes actually hitting any one part of the state and impacting lives.....the average boater probably will have bought and sold several different boats before he ever experiences a hurricane...and chances are at least equal that when a hurricane does show up that he won''t be in possession of a boat at that particular time.
 

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Ahoy Iron Wind, and I guess Rob too. I think the curt nature of my first message may have led to a great misunderstanding of my opinion. Iron wind has more eloquent response of my opinion and I thank you. But to set the record straight I love Florida and Lee and Charlotte counties. I live and sail here too. I''ve invested my money in what I feel is the best place in Florida for me. I like the change of weather and I prefer the rough stuff as a welcomed chance to test my and my vessels abilities. The people and the lifestyle of southwest Florida is as close to perfection as I have found for me. I apologize if my original remarks, however well intended may have offended anyone. I do not accept responsibility for the nasty and stupid comments which followed the mis-interperated tone of my message. The war is over Rob, we all know who won. I will be ready for a match race on Charlotte harbor in January if you''d like to test yourself in the old custom of a duel. I''ll bet my carpet bag of bricks as a prize if you win and I''ll accept your bucket of sand if I win. Lets go sailing.
 

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No Problem Rob
As you know the rain around the harbor here has been bad at times. Noticed a higher tide today, more than normal.
A race in Charlotte Harbor??Can we come {grin}. Dying to try this chute out.
Iron Wind
 

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I''m game for a race in January!! But lets make the prize a "beer" or something more useful!!

No offense taken really, and hopefully none really given. Its what the forums are all about...the freedom to voice our opinions... even of we are wrong (the we is oft times me).

Yep....got some real high tides here lately!!
Just about need a parachute to jump off this Out Islander to get down to the dock!! Now know one drawback of this boat...the deck is so high.....even with dock steps. The water is almost up high enough to go over the dock.
 

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Ahoy, Rob,Iron Wind, any other interested sailors January''s race is open to all as far as I''am concerned. Gentleman''s rules we can handicap on simple factors of boatlength,sail area,max hull speed. I''ve got a chute of my own I''d like to see fly legally in a race. Heck I might even break out the mule if I have too. Never have to much sail I say. Plot out a course on the harbor and let me know. Big Red
 
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