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I'm not really sure of the point of this thread or whether it will go anywhere, but I really want to share my admiration for Crealocks. I feel fortunate that on my very first boat purchase, that I have what seems to be one helluva vessel. I didn't really know PSCs before I luckily saw two of them up on Lake Superior. At the time I first saw the two boats (one 34 and a 37), I distinctly remember that it felt like a 'real' boat, in comparison to everything else I had seen. And I had looked at a lot of boats.

What really brings this up is that up on the Great Lakes, everyone is hauled out. As I go over to work on my boat, I walk past many others, and notice that their underbodies clearly explain why the Crealock rides out even the very highest and short waves that Lake Erie can dish out with aplomb, while others stay tied up to the pier. Afraid, and rightly so, that they'll be pounded to death.

All the racer/cruisers have very little in the water near the bow, and they are quite flat. No wonder they can't take even mildly rough water. I really wonder if that gains them that much in the way of speed or maneuverability. The Crealock can turn quite smartly. And if you cut through rather than bounce over waves, don't you move more quickly, and it's less hard on the crew?

I also notice the poor condition of most of the gelcoat (on all but the newest boats). Even though mine is 22 years old, and needs some compounding to bring her back to a nice luster, it's clear the the quality of the molds from which most boats are built doesn't even come close to the PS molds. Very smooth and even. Plus, it's amazing how many boats have print-through of the roving (or possibly cloth). Not even a glimmer of that on my Crealock.

As the yard painted my mast, they had another boat's spar in the paint area as well. Our masts were of similar cross-sections, but I think the other mast was not nearly as heavy a gauge of metal. The other boat's mast also had a good bit of taper and was 15 feet or so longer. In addition, he had a very worrisome 'crinkle' in the aluminum near the lower spreader. In other words, the Crealock mast is built to very heavy scantlings.

Just very happy to be part of the Crealock family.

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I quite agree. The Crealock designs resulted in solidly-built, high quality boats. No boat can be all things to all people, but this one is the closest I have come across! My first boat was a Catalina 27, which was a great little boat - easy to sail, extremely maneuverable under power, simple. When I decided that I needed a boat capable of crossing oceans safely single-handed, my exhaustive research led me to my current boat - the Pacific Seacraft 34 Voyagemaker. Since then, I have taken a course in naval architecture, and it only confirmed that I made the right choice! I'm currently "trapped" in Lake Michigan, but look forward to being back in saltwater soon.
 

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The Crealock hulls don't get up and surf like the faster / flatter designs, which can make a huge difference in downwind sailing speed. The Crealocks don't pound nearly as much either. I love my PSC Crealock.
 

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I agree. These boats are superb. They are in a different class. But let's be clear: the magic is in the combination of great design, for which W.B. Crealock gets the credit, and great build quality, for which Pacific Seacraft gets the credit. It's that combination that makes these boats so special.

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The Crealock hulls don't get up and surf like the faster / flatter designs, which can make a huge difference in downwind sailing speed. The Crealocks don't pound nearly as much either. I love my PSC Crealock.
In the course of learning about my new PSC34, I powered out into Lake Erie from Cleveland harbor during a very strong northern blow. Small craft warnings were posted, but I wanted to get a feel for how she handled in fairly inclement water conditions. I was alone (I need more friends that are as crazy as me) and new to the boat, so I didn't raise any sail, but she handled the very steep short frequency waves with ease under power. No pounding at all. I didn't even take much water over the bow. I was happily amazed that she did so well. I suspect that she would have handled even better with the added stability of some sail.

I suspect that under the correct conditions, even a Crealock will surf. I sailed trans-Atlantic on a 100 foot schooner and I was at the helm when we surfed down some massive mid-Atlantic swells. It can be done on a full displacement hull.
 

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I agree. These boats are superb. They are in a different class. But let's be clear: the magic is in the combination of great design, for which W.B. Crealock gets the credit, and great build quality, for which Pacific Seacraft gets the credit. It's that combination that makes these boats so special.

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Absolutely!! I completely agree.

Having only recently moved to a place close enough to a substantial body of water and about to leave my fifth decade of life, I didn't really want to wait around too long to get a boat. So my boat shopping occurred while most of the vessels were in the water. This made it difficult to get a real feel for their underbody. Lines drawings are hard to come by and the profile drawings just don't do justice to the major differences between underbodies. WIB Crealock really seems to have done a nice job of balancing the trade-offs. Further, having been an engineer, in a former career, for a production powerboat company, I know something about FRP boatbuilding. Pacific Seacraft doesn't appear to have cut any corners during production. A great combination.
 

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Absolutely!! I completely agree.

Having only recently moved to a place close enough to a substantial body of water and about to leave my fifth decade of life, I didn't really want to wait around to long to get a boat. So my boat shopping occurred while most of the vessels were in the water. This made it difficult to get a real feel for their underbody. Lines drawings are hard to come by and the profile drawings just don't do justice to the major differences between underbodies. WIB Crealock really seems to have done a nice job of balancing the trade-offs. Further, having been an engineer, in a former career, for a production powerboat company, I know something about FRP boatbuilding. Pacific Seacraft doesn't appear to have cut any corners during production. A great combination.
For anyone looking for a serious cruising boat -- one that will sail well AND keep you safe -- I recommend doing all you can to find out what owners of that type of boat say. Do that with the popular brands of boats and you'll find limitless complaints. Try that with a Pacific Seacraft and you won't find that -- it's mostly praise for how well they are built and how well they sail. That's one reason we went with this brand of boat. That and, as implied in one of the other replies, they just feel safe. That's because they are.

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I suspect that under the correct conditions, even a Crealock will surf. I sailed trans-Atlantic on a 100 foot schooner and I was at the helm when we surfed down some massive mid-Atlantic swells. It can be done on a full displacement hull.
Well there's surfing and then there's surfing. I've had my PSC44 up beyond 13 kts when we had a spinnaker up with good wind and big swells. That's way beyond what would be considered hull-speed, and we were pushing aside a whole lot of water.

But, we were on the hairy edge of control. The force required to get us up to that speed was incredible, and we were far from stable. With the slightest mistake in steering we would have rounded up or down and ended up on our side. Which has happened a few times and I've got the splintered spinnaker poles to show for it. This is why I actually prefer cruising to racing.

A boat that *wants* to surf will remain under easy control and the loads remain manageable as the speed goes up. My boat is not one of these. But my boat feels great in tough conditions, nothing creaks and the doors still open easily when we are hard-pressed.

This reminds me of another reason I love my boat. The bridge-deck is as high as the cockpit coaming. While this means we have to climb up and down to get below, it also means that the cabin stays dry. We've been pinned down after a round-down, with water over the coaming and the cockpit awash (cushions floating away, etc.), the portlights showing green water and fish, and even with the washboards stowed and the hatch open the cabin remained dry. On some other boats there would have been serious downflooding.

In 2014 we were sailing south from Washington to San Francisco, getting ready for the 2014 Pacific Cup. Around Cape Blanco (near the OR/CA border) we found ourselves in 45 kt winds with over 60 Kt gusts, and probably 15-20ft waves. True, it took some effort on the helm, but the boat took care of us in some pretty awful conditions. My crew, who have mostly sailed on more lightly-built and "racier" boats were quite impressed with how the PSC was handling things. Here's a link with some pictures: The Friday Harbor to San Francisco Delivery in Pictures « VALIS
 

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True, it took some effort on the helm, but the boat took care of us in some pretty awful conditions. My crew, who have mostly sailed on more lightly-built and "racier" boats were quite impressed with how the PSC was handling things. Here's a link with some pictures: The Friday Harbor to San Francisco Delivery in Pictures « VALIS
The words 'roaring good sail' come to mind after reading about that trip! While the photos of the sea-state are very good, I'm sure that they only convey a fraction of what it looked/felt like in person.
 

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Our first boat was an Omega 36, light fractional sloop. My wife was always a bit nervous, uncomfortable on Cirrus.

With our Crealock 37 she is saying things like "we should just go out of the bay until out of sight of land".
 

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AFAIK after 30 years there has never been a Crealock lost at sea. I did read about one that was run up on a reef, but they were able to pull her off and sail her away with minor damage. I've also never heard of a dropped keel or lost rudder either.

The best part is they still build them to this day in almost the exact same configuration. PSC will refit your old boat for you if you want. Just be prepared to get soaked as Crealocks are $$$$.

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I don't know all the details of boat design, but my belief is that Crealock designed my boat (a Pacific Seacraft 37) to actually be a great sailboat. I know that's obvious, but many of the newer designs, especially the cheap boats, don't seem to be intended to actually be, well, boats. A sailboat has to sail, of course, but it also has to do it in a range of conditions, including the worst (if it's an offshore boat). My boat's cutter setup makes this possible; the boat can be balanced in any conditions (at least that I have experienced). A good boat also has to be comfortable at sea, again in all conditions (well, a point comes in a storm where comfort becomes survival). And it has to be safe in all conditions. I believe that my boat is designed for all of that AND built to meet those requirements. Anyone who has worked on these boats knows how well made they are, especially compared to the cheap boats (Beneteau, etc.). My only complaint about my Pacific Seacraft 37 is that it's not a Pacific Seacraft 44 -- but I'm not a very rich person, so that's out.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but if you follow the link in Periwinkle's post you'll find a Pacific Seacraft 37 for sale (in Hong Kong): pacificseacraft37.com

I can attest that the PS37 is a very nice boat. It's a boat that Crealock could be proud of -- and I'm sure that he was.

And as some have suggested, the company is great in answering questions and giving help. I don't know if it's because they care about us owners or hope that this is good for business in the long term. I don't care; it's just great to have such service. That makes a Crealock built by Pacific Seacraft worth much more than the vanilla-brand boats.
 

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...my belief is that Crealock designed my boat (a Pacific Seacraft 37) to actually be a great sailboat....
I'm tickled every time I take mine out of the harbor, it is just plain fun to sail. She might not point as high or be quite as fast as the fractional sloop I had but her "handling" is so much nicer...balanced, easy motion, simply a joy.
 

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I love taking our 34 PSC, Hush, out in rough conditions, provided I stay clear of the bourbon the night before. I know that boats are inanimate objects, but I think Hush, smiles each time we make the final turn into the inlet and the seas are a torrent crashing against the jetties. My crew and I enjoy a confidence that comes from being on an extremely well built and designed boat. Looking forward to many years of safe and enjoyable sailing thanks to Mr. Crealock.
 

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I love taking our 34 PSC, Hush, out in rough conditions, provided I stay clear of the bourbon the night before. I know that boats are inanimate objects, but I think Hush, smiles each time we make the final turn into the inlet and the seas are a torrent crashing against the jetties. My crew and I enjoy a confidence that comes from being on an extremely well built and designed boat. Looking forward to many years of safe and enjoyable sailing thanks to Mr. Crealock.
Same with our 37 PSC. When other sailors are getting drunk at the bar because the winds up, we go sailing. What I like is having a true cutter rig, which makes it possible to trim the boat in all wind conditions. It's also good having a Monitor windvane. It works great in strong winds -- leaves us with nothing to do but drink tea.

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