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Hi everyone. Hoping to get ideas and suggestions for a new boat we are in the market for. We currently have an old 1976 Catalina30 that has seen much better days. Here is what we identified as important for us in a new boat.

LOA of about 30 feet +/- 1,2 feet.
As large as possible sitting cockpit area (6+ people) because 95% of sailing we do is daysail. There is 4 of us plus usually another couple.
High freeboard so that no one screaming when boat heels a little.
Boom should clear my 6ft height. Maybe its possible to custom raise a boom few inches with custom sails? I dont know.
We dont care for teak or other luxury just want a boat that sails great.

From my personal research I found Pearson Flyer kinda fits the bill but I am not crazy about three aspects. From what I've been told hanging rudder doesnt help balance the boat. There is constant struggle to keep her straight. Second, is 7HP BMW engine. For a 30ft boat its not exacty a power house. And third, I've been told by several people it tends to have issues related to wet balsa core.

If only Colgate made a bigger boat. :)

Any recommendations and suggestions are welcome and very appreciated!
 

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Sounds like a limited budget is at play.

Otherwise maybe the Morris 29 would do ;)

Seriously, how about a Capri 30 - another Catalina, primarily a racer/cruiser but other than the freeboard issue it may fit the bill. btw... reefing and trimming the sails properly should minimize that freeboard/heeling issue, and I think you'll find that if the heeling bothers somebody it doesn't really matter how high they are above the water..
 

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Not many boats have a larger cockpit then a C30
 

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Sounds like a limited budget is at play.

Otherwise maybe the Morris 29 would do ;)

Seriously, how about a Capri 30 - another Catalina, primarily a racer/cruiser but other than the freeboard issue it may fit the bill. btw... reefing and trimming the sails properly should minimize that freeboard/heeling issue, and I think you'll find that if the heeling bothers somebody it doesn't really matter how high they are above the water..
Good point. The budget is about 30K. I should've mentioned it.
 

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Seems like for $30,000 you could make a silk purse out of your old shoe.
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Yep. Of course, you'd end up with a $30,000 old shoe, but it would be exactly the way YOU want it. Unless I misunderstood the O.P., it seems like they're just looking for a nicer version of what they currently own. Sometimes it makes sense to sell and buy something else, but, in my experience, that's only when it meets one of the two following criteria:

1. It's cheaper to sell what you have and buy a better one than it would be to update your currently owned item to a similar condition.

2. The design of your current possession no longer fits your mission, i.e., your boat is obviously too small, or the maintenance-to-fun ratio is off (too much woodwork?) or what you have costs too much to maintain and you need to downsize...etc.

If neither of those two are the case, why NOT just keep you boat and sink the money into making it what you want it to be?

While it's probably true that, with boats OR cars, you usually won't get the money you sink into your vehicle OUT of it when you sell it, it's almost ALWAYS cheaper (and at least for me, more satisfying) to keep improving and using something you already own than it is to buy another one in better condition.

Just another way of looking at it..

Barry
 
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For a big cockpit, it is difficult to beat a Tartan 10. High freeboard, reasonable performance, a smallish engine, (but bigger than the Pearson Flyer's), and some space below for food & minimal accommodations. People race them on the Chi-Mac and say they can plane with the chute up. The deck-stepped mast means you can probably handle stepping & takedown without a crane. One owner I know of put his on a trailer and overwintered it in his back yard. Prices should be reasonable if you can find one near you.
 

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Yep. Of course, you'd end up with a $30,000 old shoe, but it would be exactly the way YOU want it. Unless I misunderstood the O.P., it seems like they're just looking for a nicer version of what they currently own. Sometimes it makes sense to sell and buy something else, but, in my experience, that's only when it meets one of the two following criteria:

1. It's cheaper to sell what you have and buy a better one than it would be to update your currently owned item to a similar condition.

2. The design of your current possession no longer fits your mission, i.e., your boat is obviously too small, or the maintenance-to-fun ratio is off (too much woodwork?) or what you have costs too much to maintain and you need to downsize...etc.

If neither of those two are the case, why NOT just keep you boat and sink the money into making it what you want it to be?

While it's probably true that, with boats OR cars, you usually won't get the money you sink into your vehicle OUT of it when you sell it, it's almost ALWAYS cheaper (and at least for me, more satisfying) to keep improving and using something you already own than it is to buy another one in better condition.

Just another way of looking at it..

Barry
Trying to look at my current boat with an eye of a fixer. There is not an inch of the surface that doesnt have cracks. Head is not working. Atomic4 just has to go no matter how much Moyer saints bring it back to life. Boat needs some (anything) electronics, radio, depth, wind at least? there is only so much my wonderful Navionics on my phone can do. Also need set of beefier shrouds. They are undersized for a tall rig.

So all in all i guess between going diesel, complete surface refinish, new head and shrouds I can spend 25-30k and thats if I do some of the work myself. And then there is small stuff like stove, very old wiring, no cabin lighting, etc ,etc.

I can go the other route and strip it of off everything it has and go racing :laugher
 

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For a big cockpit, it is difficult to beat a Tartan 10. High freeboard, reasonable performance, a smallish engine, (but bigger than the Pearson Flyer's), and some space below for food & minimal accommodations. People race them on the Chi-Mac and say they can plane with the chute up. The deck-stepped mast means you can probably handle stepping & takedown without a crane. One owner I know of put his on a trailer and overwintered it in his back yard. Prices should be reasonable if you can find one near you.
Just looked it up online. This is a great suggestion. Thank you.
 

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Trying to look at my current boat with an eye of a fixer. There is not an inch of the surface that doesnt have cracks. Head is not working. Atomic4 just has to go no matter how much Moyer saints bring it back to life. Boat needs some (anything) electronics, radio, depth, wind at least? there is only so much my wonderful Navionics on my phone can do. Also need set of beefier shrouds. They are undersized for a tall rig.

So all in all i guess between going diesel, complete surface refinish, new head and shrouds I can spend 25-30k and thats if I do some of the work myself. And then there is small stuff like stove, very old wiring, no cabin lighting, etc ,etc.

I can go the other route and strip it of off everything it has and go racing :laugher
Well, it sure sounds like you're faced with some serious work on your boat. Your 25-30K estimate, though, sure seems VERY high, unless you're planning on just making a phone call and writing a check.

The heads not working? Depending upon how you deal with that, you could take care of that for $250 (rip it all out and put in a Thetford 550P MSD; basically, a portapotty w/ pumpout and vent fittings) and not ever have to mess with a holding tank or plumbing again. The $250 includes new hoses and fittings. Even if you wanted to maintain a traditional head, the dollar value of replacing everything with brand new great stuff should be well under $1K.

The deck cracks... well.. yeah.. it's a ton of labor. Is it all cosmetic, or do you have wet cores? If it's cosmetic, do a little at a time. When you get one section looking pretty good, it'll give you a little "lift" and you'll feel more like attacking another section.. and another.. and you'll get better at it.. and faster.. before you know it, it's done (like, in a year or two.. ;) ). Again, the price for materials is pretty minimal.

"Need," or "want" electronics? Yeah, I'd hate to be without a depth finder, compass, or radio. Those, in my completely inexperienced opinion, are "needs." Add the "wants" as you go.

Wiring is relatively cheap to do, too. Routing wires can be difficult, I guess, but it's not THAT bad.. and when it is, there's always decent looking surface molding options. Cabin lighting? I redid all of ours with LED bulbs (7 fixtures) for about $100. The fixtures were there already, but they weren't anything special.. white plastic... they can't possibly cost much. Of course, if you want nice, salty-looking brass/bronze/chrome/zebrawood fixtures, you can spend as much as you want.

The engine, of course, is the biggie. I don't know much about marine engines, diesel or the Atomic 4. If yours really "has to go," then yeah, you're looking at spending some serious dough, but still... what... $5000?

Shrouds? Again, we're talking a couple hundred bucks.

Step back.. take a breath... decide to tackle ONE of the projects.. do it.

On the other hand, if you are sick of looking at all of the stuff wrong and that's all you can see (I get it.. I've been there), then it may be worth it to YOU to dump it and just get something in great condition and go sailing. BELIEVE me, I get it. I got kind of burnt out this year fixing stuff myself. However, now I've got a boat that I trust, an engine I trust, and am REALLY looking forward to next season. AND I've still got most of my money.. ;)

Best to you. Not trying to sway you either way. Time IS money, and there are definitely times when it's worth it to spend money to get back some time.

Barry
 

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Wait, wait. You DON'T want a bigger boat????

You've been cured of foot-itis! It's a miracle!

PS, have you looked at a Catalina 34? :)
Well, I've been told size doesnt matter but then again we werent talking boats at the time. But seriously, last two weeks the club was pulling boats out. There is something to be said about say a j30 getting picked up by a single hook and dropping it straight on a trailer. Job done.
 
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